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		<title>By: Adam Tait</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-151966</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Tait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd: Right wing cuts would devastate vital services and cost jobs http://t.co/AG0Ty7VN&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd: Right wing cuts would devastate vital services and cost jobs <a href="http://t.co/AG0Ty7VN" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/AG0Ty7VN</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: willstraw</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>willstraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Caroline,

Thanks for your comment. I&#039;m sorry you don&#039;t think this blog is evidence-based. We went to great care to ensure that we linked to all source material.

I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re also wrong to say that &quot;Labour has racked up the largest debt our country has ever seen.&quot; As Will Hutton pointed out in the Observer this weekend, &quot;since 1750 the national debt has always been proportionally higher than this, except for two 40-year periods – one at the end of the 19th century and the other from the 1970s until now.&quot; http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/13/budget-national-debt-will-hutton

Richard Murphy has a graph on his blog making the same point: http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2009/09/09/uk-debt-dont-lie/

There is a meaningful debate to be had here and we are trying to add to it not obscure. 

Best wishes,

Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Caroline,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I&#8217;m sorry you don&#8217;t think this blog is evidence-based. We went to great care to ensure that we linked to all source material.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re also wrong to say that &#8220;Labour has racked up the largest debt our country has ever seen.&#8221; As Will Hutton pointed out in the Observer this weekend, &#8220;since 1750 the national debt has always been proportionally higher than this, except for two 40-year periods – one at the end of the 19th century and the other from the 1970s until now.&#8221; <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/13/budget-national-debt-will-hutton" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/13/budget-national-debt-will-hutton</a></p>
<p>Richard Murphy has a graph on his blog making the same point: <a href="http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2009/09/09/uk-debt-dont-lie/" rel="nofollow">http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2009/09/09/uk-debt-dont-lie/</a></p>
<p>There is a meaningful debate to be had here and we are trying to add to it not obscure. </p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Will</p>
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		<title>By: In defence of Sure Start &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>In defence of Sure Start &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TaxPayers&#8217; Alliance have responded to Left Foot Forward&#8217;s post on Friday about the TPA and Institute of Directors&#8217; proposals to make £50 billion in public [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caroline Sick Of The Lies</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Sick Of The Lies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was supposed to be an evidence based blog Will.  You seemed to be a &quot;pretty straight kind of guy&quot; on Sky News last night but this is typical New Labour spin.  You have no evidence that Right Wing cuts will do anything, either good or bad.  Nobody has.  It&#039;s just speculation.  If people knew the real effects of decisions on a state level then we wouldn&#039;t be in a recession now.  

What we do know is that Labour has racked up the largest debt our country has ever had and the highest unemployment and lies and spins to try and wriggle  out of the truth.  No more Boom and Bust.  Tory Cuts.  Tory Toffs.  Anything but their own (dire) position.  

It&#039;s always the same - Labour wreck the country leaving massive unemployment and huge debts and the Tories come in to clean up the mess.  It&#039;s always never Labour&#039;s fault but some global problem they couldn&#039;t have predicted.  10p tax on the poor?  That&#039;s Labour for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was supposed to be an evidence based blog Will.  You seemed to be a &#8220;pretty straight kind of guy&#8221; on Sky News last night but this is typical New Labour spin.  You have no evidence that Right Wing cuts will do anything, either good or bad.  Nobody has.  It&#8217;s just speculation.  If people knew the real effects of decisions on a state level then we wouldn&#8217;t be in a recession now.  </p>
<p>What we do know is that Labour has racked up the largest debt our country has ever had and the highest unemployment and lies and spins to try and wriggle  out of the truth.  No more Boom and Bust.  Tory Cuts.  Tory Toffs.  Anything but their own (dire) position.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s always the same &#8211; Labour wreck the country leaving massive unemployment and huge debts and the Tories come in to clean up the mess.  It&#8217;s always never Labour&#8217;s fault but some global problem they couldn&#8217;t have predicted.  10p tax on the poor?  That&#8217;s Labour for you.</p>
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		<title>By: LFF brief: universal benefits &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>LFF brief: universal benefits &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] IoD/TPA report has a greater saving of £8.45 billion from abolishing both Child Benefit and the Child Trust Fund [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched a very interesting news article / debate this morning on sky news (shudder), between the TUC’s head economist and a guy from the “Taxpayers Alliance” (I most certainly opt out of that alliance)

How the right can expect the deficit to decease when they propose  sacking people, which leads to – less tax revenue, more benefit payments, less disposable income in private hands therefore less private spending therefore more job loses in the service industry therefore start the sequence again.

Even Thatcher took 6 years to reduce the deficit even though she was cutting all over the place, why, because of the millions that were left the dole and incapacity benefit.

Leave the poor behind is their motto and unfortunately we are going to give them the perfect chance after next year and I fear the election after.

Goodwin – scrapping trident is a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched a very interesting news article / debate this morning on sky news (shudder), between the TUC’s head economist and a guy from the “Taxpayers Alliance” (I most certainly opt out of that alliance)</p>
<p>How the right can expect the deficit to decease when they propose  sacking people, which leads to – less tax revenue, more benefit payments, less disposable income in private hands therefore less private spending therefore more job loses in the service industry therefore start the sequence again.</p>
<p>Even Thatcher took 6 years to reduce the deficit even though she was cutting all over the place, why, because of the millions that were left the dole and incapacity benefit.</p>
<p>Leave the poor behind is their motto and unfortunately we are going to give them the perfect chance after next year and I fear the election after.</p>
<p>Goodwin – scrapping trident is a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This implies 91,000 job losses&quot;

So what? If government can do the same job with fewer staff then why shouldn&#039;t it? Any private company would. It is not the job of the government to employ people in order to keep unemployment figures down. If a job doesn&#039;t need doing, then you don&#039;t need to employ someone for it. One reason we are borrowing well over 10% of GDP this year is because the public sector has been making up jobs to employ people into for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This implies 91,000 job losses&#8221;</p>
<p>So what? If government can do the same job with fewer staff then why shouldn&#8217;t it? Any private company would. It is not the job of the government to employ people in order to keep unemployment figures down. If a job doesn&#8217;t need doing, then you don&#8217;t need to employ someone for it. One reason we are borrowing well over 10% of GDP this year is because the public sector has been making up jobs to employ people into for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Is Cameron really trusted on public services?</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Is Cameron really trusted on public services?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This week the new Left Foot Forward blog exposed how right wing cuts would devastate vital services and cost jobs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: willstraw</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>willstraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Earl. I removed your comment because I regarded it as offensive. It&#039;s reprinted in full here so others can make their mind up. I have clarified our comments policy on the About page.

And if you&#039;re interested in the the 60% number on tax rises read the article I linked to. The numbers are from a Times/Populus poll.

&quot;What a pile of crap- &quot;Right wing cuts would devastate vital services and cost jobs&quot;. Have you read the report? There is a rationale for each and every one of the proposed cuts. And where the Hell did you get the statistic that 60% of the population supports tax rises over cuts? That&#039;s a bloody lie, and you damn well know it. Aside the fact that countless reports have been produced by so many organisations proving that reduced public spending (as opposed to tax rises) is a much better way to control any deficit without damaging economic growth. This whole Left Foot Forward project is a pathetic racket. Crawl back under the cave where you came from, Will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Earl. I removed your comment because I regarded it as offensive. It&#8217;s reprinted in full here so others can make their mind up. I have clarified our comments policy on the About page.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re interested in the the 60% number on tax rises read the article I linked to. The numbers are from a Times/Populus poll.</p>
<p>&#8220;What a pile of crap- &#8220;Right wing cuts would devastate vital services and cost jobs&#8221;. Have you read the report? There is a rationale for each and every one of the proposed cuts. And where the Hell did you get the statistic that 60% of the population supports tax rises over cuts? That&#8217;s a bloody lie, and you damn well know it. Aside the fact that countless reports have been produced by so many organisations proving that reduced public spending (as opposed to tax rises) is a much better way to control any deficit without damaging economic growth. This whole Left Foot Forward project is a pathetic racket. Crawl back under the cave where you came from, Will.</p>
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		<title>By: The Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/right-wing-cuts-would-devastate-vital-services-and-cost-jobsu/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>The Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the matter, Will? Couldn&#039;t take my criticism of you? Obviously not, otherwise my previous post would not have been removed. You Lefties are a dreadful shower of idealists that are incapable of listening to perfectly reasonable, &#039;right wing&#039; policies to curtail our vast and bloated public sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the matter, Will? Couldn&#8217;t take my criticism of you? Obviously not, otherwise my previous post would not have been removed. You Lefties are a dreadful shower of idealists that are incapable of listening to perfectly reasonable, &#8216;right wing&#8217; policies to curtail our vast and bloated public sector.</p>
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