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		<title>By: Will Straw</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/johnson-should-listen-to-advice-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-7938</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Straw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Chris Huhne: Grayling is Home Secretary&#039;s &quot;mini-me&quot;. Bad joke, even worse delivery, but he&#039;s on the right track. http://bit.ly/4hbokx&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Chris Huhne: Grayling is Home Secretary&#39;s &quot;mini-me&quot;. Bad joke, even worse delivery, but he&#39;s on the right track. <a href="http://bit.ly/4hbokx" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4hbokx</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Johnson fights back with defence of Government’s drugs policy &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/johnson-should-listen-to-advice-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson fights back with defence of Government’s drugs policy &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thursday Left Foot Forward called on the Government to heed the advice of Professor Nutt, whose sacking on Friday dominated the weekend news agenda. Alan Johnson, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Labours bankruptcy exposed by Nutt sacking&#8230;. &#171; Moments of Clarity</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/johnson-should-listen-to-advice-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Labours bankruptcy exposed by Nutt sacking&#8230;. &#171; Moments of Clarity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] crime was to criticise the re-classification of cannabis to a Class B drug and go onto expound the view that; Alcohol ranks as the fifth most harmful drug after heroin, cocaine, barbiturates and methadone. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] crime was to criticise the re-classification of cannabis to a Class B drug and go onto expound the view that; Alcohol ranks as the fifth most harmful drug after heroin, cocaine, barbiturates and methadone. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drugs policy: more sensible analysis for politicians to ignore &#171; Liberal Stranger</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/johnson-should-listen-to-advice-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Drugs policy: more sensible analysis for politicians to ignore &#171; Liberal Stranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by liberalstranger on October 30, 2009  Nice little article from Mark Thompson on the latest comments made by Prof. David Nutt about drugs policy. Particularly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by liberalstranger on October 30, 2009  Nice little article from Mark Thompson on the latest comments made by Prof. David Nutt about drugs policy. Particularly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Woolf</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/johnson-should-listen-to-advice-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Woolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is very obvious is that the current system is not reducing drug use. So, those who want to continue down the criminalisation route need to think about what it would take to make it work to really stop or sharply reduce drug use.  How about random blood tests on the whole population, with enough tests being done to give a significant risk of getting caught?  Since virtually all young people take illegal drugs at least occasionally, nothing less is going to have much practical impact.  I can see the Mail liking the idea: if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!  
If you don&#039;t like extreme legal measures, just carry on the same as now. But in that case don&#039;t pretend there is any chance of reducing drug use, let alone &quot;winning&quot; the drug war.  Best forget about that - enjoy the highly publicised police and customs &quot;successes&quot; and avoid thinking about the fact that these are tiny blips in the whole supply picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is very obvious is that the current system is not reducing drug use. So, those who want to continue down the criminalisation route need to think about what it would take to make it work to really stop or sharply reduce drug use.  How about random blood tests on the whole population, with enough tests being done to give a significant risk of getting caught?  Since virtually all young people take illegal drugs at least occasionally, nothing less is going to have much practical impact.  I can see the Mail liking the idea: if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!<br />
If you don&#8217;t like extreme legal measures, just carry on the same as now. But in that case don&#8217;t pretend there is any chance of reducing drug use, let alone &#8220;winning&#8221; the drug war.  Best forget about that &#8211; enjoy the highly publicised police and customs &#8220;successes&#8221; and avoid thinking about the fact that these are tiny blips in the whole supply picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rory,

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate this is an area that people often have strong feelings about and I am grateful for your measured words. I will try and address your comments:


&quot;What do you think we will gain as a civilisation if we continue to tolerate drug use and happily watch their use rise and rise? Do you really think it’s a good thing that children grow up in an environment where taking drugs is something that people do – and are in many cases stigmatised as ‘nerds’ if they don’t?&quot;

Drug use has been rising and rising for 40 years. In 1971 when then Misuse of Drugs Act was instituted there were a few hundred heroin addicts in the UK, now there are a few hundred thousand, a thousand-fold increase. Children already grow up in an environment with taking drugs is something people do. The current laws have not stopped that. In some areas it is actually easier for children to get hold of illegal drugs than it is to get hold of alcohol. That is because as a society through our laws we have gifted control of the market to criminals who don&#039;t care who their customers are.


&quot;It’s easy for the middle-classes to say that taking drugs is a personal choice but people who live in deprived areas don’t have any choice about their communities being infested with drug use. Please don’t give me the usual nonsense about the problems arising from drugs being due to their being illegal. A child born addicted to drugs does not have any choice and we would see more of this if drugs were made legal.&quot;

It is debatable whether we would see more of the sort of desperate and tragic scenario you outline if drugs were legalised (and regulated). Portugal decrimininalised all drugs 8 years ago and drugs use has actually gone down (See http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2009/07/24/what-can-portugals-decriminalisation-experience-teach-us/).

You also say that the idea of many of the problems arising from drugs being caused by their illegality is nonsense but I am afraid I beg to differ. I don&#039;t have time to go into all the detail of why I think this now but can I suggest a good and useful resource for reading about this issue is the &quot;Transform Drugs Policy Foundation&quot; website? I broadly agree with their analysis and aims. Their FAQ is a good place to start and covers this particular point: http://www.tdpf.org.uk/AboutUs_FAQ.htm


&quot;It seems to be completely illogical that we crack down on ‘evil drug dealers’ but tolerate drug use.&quot;

Taking drugs out of the control of criminal gangs is vital. All the &quot;crack downs&quot; result in is either temporarily driving the price up in the locale where the arrests are made and hence increasing crime and/or plenty more criminals are ready to step in and exploit the gap in the market. If drugs were under state control this would no longer be necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rory,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments. I appreciate this is an area that people often have strong feelings about and I am grateful for your measured words. I will try and address your comments:</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you think we will gain as a civilisation if we continue to tolerate drug use and happily watch their use rise and rise? Do you really think it’s a good thing that children grow up in an environment where taking drugs is something that people do – and are in many cases stigmatised as ‘nerds’ if they don’t?&#8221;</p>
<p>Drug use has been rising and rising for 40 years. In 1971 when then Misuse of Drugs Act was instituted there were a few hundred heroin addicts in the UK, now there are a few hundred thousand, a thousand-fold increase. Children already grow up in an environment with taking drugs is something people do. The current laws have not stopped that. In some areas it is actually easier for children to get hold of illegal drugs than it is to get hold of alcohol. That is because as a society through our laws we have gifted control of the market to criminals who don&#8217;t care who their customers are.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s easy for the middle-classes to say that taking drugs is a personal choice but people who live in deprived areas don’t have any choice about their communities being infested with drug use. Please don’t give me the usual nonsense about the problems arising from drugs being due to their being illegal. A child born addicted to drugs does not have any choice and we would see more of this if drugs were made legal.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is debatable whether we would see more of the sort of desperate and tragic scenario you outline if drugs were legalised (and regulated). Portugal decrimininalised all drugs 8 years ago and drugs use has actually gone down (See <a href="http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2009/07/24/what-can-portugals-decriminalisation-experience-teach-us/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2009/07/24/what-can-portugals-decriminalisation-experience-teach-us/)</a>.</p>
<p>You also say that the idea of many of the problems arising from drugs being caused by their illegality is nonsense but I am afraid I beg to differ. I don&#8217;t have time to go into all the detail of why I think this now but can I suggest a good and useful resource for reading about this issue is the &#8220;Transform Drugs Policy Foundation&#8221; website? I broadly agree with their analysis and aims. Their FAQ is a good place to start and covers this particular point: <a href="http://www.tdpf.org.uk/AboutUs_FAQ.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdpf.org.uk/AboutUs_FAQ.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It seems to be completely illogical that we crack down on ‘evil drug dealers’ but tolerate drug use.&#8221;</p>
<p>Taking drugs out of the control of criminal gangs is vital. All the &#8220;crack downs&#8221; result in is either temporarily driving the price up in the locale where the arrests are made and hence increasing crime and/or plenty more criminals are ready to step in and exploit the gap in the market. If drugs were under state control this would no longer be necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan W</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/johnson-should-listen-to-advice-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-1172</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drugs policy has been an evidence free zone for years. This is hardly surprising given that the evidence overwhelmingly shows the prohibition policies of the past 30 to 40 years to have been an unmitigated disaster, both on public health grounds and especially in terms of law and order. Full legalisation is the only policy that has a hope of rectifying the immense damage that prohibition has inflicted both here and abroad in impoverished supplier countries.

Honestly, though, I can scarcely even be bothered to type this, since there is not the slightest chance of significant policy change happening. The debate is entirely framed by dishonest and hysterical coverage in the bulk of the popular press, where one bereaved mother trumps endless volumes of serious research. To challenge this would require politicians with real gumption. Fat chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drugs policy has been an evidence free zone for years. This is hardly surprising given that the evidence overwhelmingly shows the prohibition policies of the past 30 to 40 years to have been an unmitigated disaster, both on public health grounds and especially in terms of law and order. Full legalisation is the only policy that has a hope of rectifying the immense damage that prohibition has inflicted both here and abroad in impoverished supplier countries.</p>
<p>Honestly, though, I can scarcely even be bothered to type this, since there is not the slightest chance of significant policy change happening. The debate is entirely framed by dishonest and hysterical coverage in the bulk of the popular press, where one bereaved mother trumps endless volumes of serious research. To challenge this would require politicians with real gumption. Fat chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/johnson-should-listen-to-advice-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-1171</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty outraged but will try and keep this as measured as possible.

What do you think we will gain as a civilisation if we continue to tolerate drug use and happily watch their use rise and rise? Do you really think it&#039;s a good thing that children grow up in an environment where taking drugs is something that people do - and are in many cases stigmatised as &#039;nerds&#039; if they don&#039;t?

It&#039;s easy for the middle-classes to say that taking drugs is a personal choice but people who live in deprived areas don&#039;t have any choice about their communities being infested with drug use. Please don&#039;t give me the usual nonsense about the problems arising from drugs being due to their being illegal. A child born addicted to drugs does not have any choice and we would see more of this if drugs were made legal.

It seems to be completely illogical that we crack down on &#039;evil drug dealers&#039; but tolerate drug use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty outraged but will try and keep this as measured as possible.</p>
<p>What do you think we will gain as a civilisation if we continue to tolerate drug use and happily watch their use rise and rise? Do you really think it&#8217;s a good thing that children grow up in an environment where taking drugs is something that people do &#8211; and are in many cases stigmatised as &#8216;nerds&#8217; if they don&#8217;t?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for the middle-classes to say that taking drugs is a personal choice but people who live in deprived areas don&#8217;t have any choice about their communities being infested with drug use. Please don&#8217;t give me the usual nonsense about the problems arising from drugs being due to their being illegal. A child born addicted to drugs does not have any choice and we would see more of this if drugs were made legal.</p>
<p>It seems to be completely illogical that we crack down on &#8216;evil drug dealers&#8217; but tolerate drug use.</p>
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