Comments on: The Sun and Labour: Who gets hurt the most? http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/ Left Foot Forward is a political blog for progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy developments. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Blanca Lynn http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/comment-page-1/#comment-8513 Blanca Lynn Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:48:03 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=1791#comment-8513 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">The Sun and Labour: Who gets hurt the most? | Left Foot Forward http://tinyurl.com/yeskl8x</span></span> The Sun and Labour: Who gets hurt the most? | Left Foot Forward http://tinyurl.com/yeskl8x

]]> By: Paul Evans http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/comment-page-1/#comment-669 Paul Evans Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:35:38 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=1791#comment-669 There is no point in discussing the question of funding policy in broadcasting without founding your arguments upon what media owners will veto and what they won't. I'd richly love to read anyone who's prepared to get into the policy questions - I did that last week without getting any response here. http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/labours-bskyb-windfall/ The reason that I suggest that they should be 'threatened' is because they will finally move the debate away from the question of top-slicing the BBC (an option that I don't believe that anyone now takes seriously, though that fact that it hasn't been formally discounted is creating something of a block in the whole debate). I'd also suggest that the reality is that News Corp the Tories have offered a different combination of threats and cajolery to get an imprudently early commitment from News Corp. If you'd like to find someone writing on this subject under the pretense that this isn't the deciding factor, there are plenty of other places to go for that line of reasoning. There is no point in discussing the question of funding policy in broadcasting without founding your arguments upon what media owners will veto and what they won’t.

I’d richly love to read anyone who’s prepared to get into the policy questions – I did that last week without getting any response here.

http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/labours-bskyb-windfall/

The reason that I suggest that they should be ‘threatened’ is because they will finally move the debate away from the question of top-slicing the BBC (an option that I don’t believe that anyone now takes seriously, though that fact that it hasn’t been formally discounted is creating something of a block in the whole debate).

I’d also suggest that the reality is that News Corp the Tories have offered a different combination of threats and cajolery to get an imprudently early commitment from News Corp. If you’d like to find someone writing on this subject under the pretense that this isn’t the deciding factor, there are plenty of other places to go for that line of reasoning.

]]> By: Ivan Pope http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/comment-page-1/#comment-643 Ivan Pope Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:54:45 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=1791#comment-643 All the suggestions make some sense - if Labour win the next election. If not, it's just whistling in the wind, and pathetically late for that. What a corrupt system we have made for ourselves. All the suggestions make some sense – if Labour win the next election. If not, it’s just whistling in the wind, and pathetically late for that. What a corrupt system we have made for ourselves.

]]> By: Rory http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/comment-page-1/#comment-619 Rory Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:19:27 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=1791#comment-619 No, the paragraph I quoted from was suggesting 'measures', not summarising blog opinion. I don't think our criticisms can so easily be brushed off. I really don't know if the Sky levy is a good idea or not. I certainly don't think News International should be given special treatment as happened during the Blair-Campbell era and will probably happen under Cameron. But I do not think any such decision should be taken to punish News International for withdrawing support for Labour, which is what is being advocated not just by the bloggers the author quotes, but by the author himself. No, the paragraph I quoted from was suggesting ‘measures’, not summarising blog opinion. I don’t think our criticisms can so easily be brushed off.

I really don’t know if the Sky levy is a good idea or not. I certainly don’t think News International should be given special treatment as happened during the Blair-Campbell era and will probably happen under Cameron.

But I do not think any such decision should be taken to punish News International for withdrawing support for Labour, which is what is being advocated not just by the bloggers the author quotes, but by the author himself.

]]> By: willstraw http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/comment-page-1/#comment-613 willstraw Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:28:59 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=1791#comment-613 The proposals to apply the levy to Sky were set out before The Sun switched to the Tories: http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/labours-bskyb-windfall/ This article provided a summary of blog opinion (which readers will know we do from time to time) and summarised the ideas set out in the blog post listed above. Interested to know whether Jon or Rory have any thoughts on the Sky levy idea? The proposals to apply the levy to Sky were set out before The Sun switched to the Tories: http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/09/labours-bskyb-windfall/

This article provided a summary of blog opinion (which readers will know we do from time to time) and summarised the ideas set out in the blog post listed above.

Interested to know whether Jon or Rory have any thoughts on the Sky levy idea?

]]> By: Rory http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/comment-page-1/#comment-611 Rory Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:29:17 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=1791#comment-611 Well said, Mr Walker. 'All of these options could be credibly threatened as pre-election measures.' This is the sort of thing one would expect to see in an internal New Labour e-mail, not on an 'evidence-based' website. I think it is disgraceful (though perhaps very telling) that LFF decided to print this bile. Are you planning to commission any articles from Derek Draper? Well said, Mr Walker. ‘All of these options could be credibly threatened as pre-election measures.’ This is the sort of thing one would expect to see in an internal New Labour e-mail, not on an ‘evidence-based’ website.

I think it is disgraceful (though perhaps very telling) that LFF decided to print this bile. Are you planning to commission any articles from Derek Draper?

]]> By: Jon Walker http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/10/the-sun-and-labour-who-gets-hurt-the-most/comment-page-1/#comment-606 Jon Walker Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:40:16 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=1791#comment-606 There may be good reason to reawakening the question of media concentration, but surely the fact that the Sun has changed sides isn't one of them? Any rules which made sense when the Sun was supporting Labour make the same amount of sense when the Sun opposes Labour, do they not? There may be good reason to reawakening the question of media concentration, but surely the fact that the Sun has changed sides isn’t one of them? Any rules which made sense when the Sun was supporting Labour make the same amount of sense when the Sun opposes Labour, do they not?

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