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		<title>By: New decade; same message: the Tories manifesto for the NHS &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/camerons-health-policy-naive-and-sinister/comment-page-1/#comment-3700</link>
		<dc:creator>New decade; same message: the Tories manifesto for the NHS &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and transparency” with much more competition, and a bonfire of targets. Much of this is not new but fails to address a key question: what NHS standards will exist under the Tories? There is no [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/camerons-health-policy-naive-and-sinister/comment-page-1/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another sinister aspect. Under the Tories profit in the private sector is inversely proportional to quality in the NHS. Lower quality in the NHS means more profits to the private sector. People go to the private sector for the &quot;value-added&quot; and the most important one is waiting time. If the NHS gives you a lengthy waiting time then one way to jump the queue is to go private. Remember that the expertise in the private sector is the same: you will be treated by the same consultant. (Indeed, since teaching is exclusively performed by the NHS you could even argue that the greater expertise is in the NHS.)

When Waiting list targets were introduced, waiting lists dropped. Consequently people could not get shorter waiting time by going private. When targets on quality (like infection rates) were introduced, the quality in the NHS rose and there was one less reason for people to go private. With the huge investments in new hospitals we have now got comfortable and clean treatment centres and wards another value-added that the private sector could not sell. 

The problem as far as Cameron sees it, is that the NHS is &lt;b&gt;too&lt;/b&gt; good. Even if we take into account the effect of the recession, the last few years have show a drop in people going for private treatment: they prefer to use the NHS. Fewer patients for the private sector means less profits. The NHS is just too successful. &quot;Eccentric&quot; Tories like Daniel Hannan even tell lies to try to denigrate the NHS (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC1eWmRrmO8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here is my response to some of the lies he was spreading&lt;/a&gt;) but we show that we don&#039;t believe him by the sheer numbers using the NHS.

Currently the NHS uses the private sector to make up capacity. This has been very helpful in reducing waiting lists, and NHS patients benefit. In addition, there is a role for the private sector to provide extra capacity in day to day situations. For example, if there is an outbreak of nurovirus and NHS hospital wards are full of patients with this infection then the NHS hospital cannot perform routine elective surgery. In this case, the NHS can use the extra capacity in the private sector. This is the right thing to do because it puts the patient first. 

But note that there are some important points in the last paragraph. If there is an outbreak of nurovirus in the community, where do the patients get treated? They do not get treated in the private hospital - the private sector does not have that responsibility - the NHS has no choice, it has a responsibility to the community. Further, where are clinical staff trained? It is in NHS hospitals. The private sector does not have that responsibility. These are *very* important points. They are points that everyone must understand. There is no level playing field in healthcare because the private sector can choose to turn its back on pandemics and training, and it does. So when Cameron says that the private sector should be &quot;able to compete on equal terms for a NHS contract&quot; he is hiding the fact that they will never be bidding on equal terms because they have fewer responsibilities than an NHS provider. The NHS &lt;b&gt;always&lt;/b&gt; bids from a disadvantaged position because it has more (and costly) responsibilities than the private sector. The current situation (by and large) recognises that, and the private sector is used to get extra capacity, but it is NOT an equal partner. 

The consequence of all of this, is that the private sector have moved from providers of choice to providers of additional capacity. That is important because as providers of additional capacity the private sector have to provide their services at NHS rates, and this drives down their profit potential. The private sector prefer to be the first choice of patients because in this case they can charge much higher rates. Targets have raised standards in the NHS and shifted private sector providers towards lower profit work. They don&#039;t like this and I am sure Cameron knows this. This is one sinister reason why he wants to remove targets: they bring in greater scope for the private sector to make more profits. 

It is worth pointing out that as standards have raised in the NHS the private sector have had to raise their standards to provide some &quot;value-added&quot;. So over all, targets have increased standards in the NHS &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; private sector. I should also point out that an NHS hospital, like any large organisation, will have internal quality control. NHS hospitals treat the national targets as *minimum standards* of care, internally they will have their own targets. So Cameron&#039;s argument that abolishing targets will cut administration is nonsense because any reputable hospital will continue to monitor quality and will continue to strive to hit their own targets. 

So Cameron wants to get back to the pre-1997 conditions. By abolishing targets he is implicitly indicating that he he does not want a minimum standard of care to be set. Lower standards are cheaper which gives scope for cuts. Lower standards also means that the private sector have a value-added to sell, it gives them more business and this means their profits rise. The Cameron healthcare plans are very sinister</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another sinister aspect. Under the Tories profit in the private sector is inversely proportional to quality in the NHS. Lower quality in the NHS means more profits to the private sector. People go to the private sector for the &#8220;value-added&#8221; and the most important one is waiting time. If the NHS gives you a lengthy waiting time then one way to jump the queue is to go private. Remember that the expertise in the private sector is the same: you will be treated by the same consultant. (Indeed, since teaching is exclusively performed by the NHS you could even argue that the greater expertise is in the NHS.)</p>
<p>When Waiting list targets were introduced, waiting lists dropped. Consequently people could not get shorter waiting time by going private. When targets on quality (like infection rates) were introduced, the quality in the NHS rose and there was one less reason for people to go private. With the huge investments in new hospitals we have now got comfortable and clean treatment centres and wards another value-added that the private sector could not sell. </p>
<p>The problem as far as Cameron sees it, is that the NHS is <b>too</b> good. Even if we take into account the effect of the recession, the last few years have show a drop in people going for private treatment: they prefer to use the NHS. Fewer patients for the private sector means less profits. The NHS is just too successful. &#8220;Eccentric&#8221; Tories like Daniel Hannan even tell lies to try to denigrate the NHS (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC1eWmRrmO8" rel="nofollow">here is my response to some of the lies he was spreading</a>) but we show that we don&#8217;t believe him by the sheer numbers using the NHS.</p>
<p>Currently the NHS uses the private sector to make up capacity. This has been very helpful in reducing waiting lists, and NHS patients benefit. In addition, there is a role for the private sector to provide extra capacity in day to day situations. For example, if there is an outbreak of nurovirus and NHS hospital wards are full of patients with this infection then the NHS hospital cannot perform routine elective surgery. In this case, the NHS can use the extra capacity in the private sector. This is the right thing to do because it puts the patient first. </p>
<p>But note that there are some important points in the last paragraph. If there is an outbreak of nurovirus in the community, where do the patients get treated? They do not get treated in the private hospital &#8211; the private sector does not have that responsibility &#8211; the NHS has no choice, it has a responsibility to the community. Further, where are clinical staff trained? It is in NHS hospitals. The private sector does not have that responsibility. These are *very* important points. They are points that everyone must understand. There is no level playing field in healthcare because the private sector can choose to turn its back on pandemics and training, and it does. So when Cameron says that the private sector should be &#8220;able to compete on equal terms for a NHS contract&#8221; he is hiding the fact that they will never be bidding on equal terms because they have fewer responsibilities than an NHS provider. The NHS <b>always</b> bids from a disadvantaged position because it has more (and costly) responsibilities than the private sector. The current situation (by and large) recognises that, and the private sector is used to get extra capacity, but it is NOT an equal partner. </p>
<p>The consequence of all of this, is that the private sector have moved from providers of choice to providers of additional capacity. That is important because as providers of additional capacity the private sector have to provide their services at NHS rates, and this drives down their profit potential. The private sector prefer to be the first choice of patients because in this case they can charge much higher rates. Targets have raised standards in the NHS and shifted private sector providers towards lower profit work. They don&#8217;t like this and I am sure Cameron knows this. This is one sinister reason why he wants to remove targets: they bring in greater scope for the private sector to make more profits. </p>
<p>It is worth pointing out that as standards have raised in the NHS the private sector have had to raise their standards to provide some &#8220;value-added&#8221;. So over all, targets have increased standards in the NHS <b>and</b> private sector. I should also point out that an NHS hospital, like any large organisation, will have internal quality control. NHS hospitals treat the national targets as *minimum standards* of care, internally they will have their own targets. So Cameron&#8217;s argument that abolishing targets will cut administration is nonsense because any reputable hospital will continue to monitor quality and will continue to strive to hit their own targets. </p>
<p>So Cameron wants to get back to the pre-1997 conditions. By abolishing targets he is implicitly indicating that he he does not want a minimum standard of care to be set. Lower standards are cheaper which gives scope for cuts. Lower standards also means that the private sector have a value-added to sell, it gives them more business and this means their profits rise. The Cameron healthcare plans are very sinister</p>
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		<title>By: StopTheRight</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/camerons-health-policy-naive-and-sinister/comment-page-1/#comment-7811</link>
		<dc:creator>StopTheRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd   Cameron&#039;s health policy - both naive and sinister   http://bit.ly/rWiJj&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd   Cameron&#39;s health policy &#8211; both naive and sinister   <a href="http://bit.ly/rWiJj" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/rWiJj</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: joe fd</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/camerons-health-policy-naive-and-sinister/comment-page-1/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>joe fd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes a proper scrutiny of how free a free market policy tories are talking about is required. Would be good if professional associations broke silence on this, but everyone&#039;s trying to cosy up to the tories! As I&#039;ve said on this blog, the extent of/ approach to competition could be a dividing line. But labour should resist the temptation to go back on reform altogether. As burnham is (trying) to say, the nhs needs to use competition and choice pragmatically and cleverly to bring choice and innovation, rather than ideologically. But avoid being painted as roadblocks or look tired and out of ideas. Cheers, joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes a proper scrutiny of how free a free market policy tories are talking about is required. Would be good if professional associations broke silence on this, but everyone&#8217;s trying to cosy up to the tories! As I&#8217;ve said on this blog, the extent of/ approach to competition could be a dividing line. But labour should resist the temptation to go back on reform altogether. As burnham is (trying) to say, the nhs needs to use competition and choice pragmatically and cleverly to bring choice and innovation, rather than ideologically. But avoid being painted as roadblocks or look tired and out of ideas. Cheers, joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/camerons-health-policy-naive-and-sinister/comment-page-1/#comment-7812</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd: Cameron&#039;s health policy - both naive and sinister http://bit.ly/rWiJj - agree, especially on scraping waiting times&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd: Cameron&#39;s health policy &#8211; both naive and sinister <a href="http://bit.ly/rWiJj" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/rWiJj</a> &#8211; agree, especially on scraping waiting times</span></span></span></p>
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