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		<title>By: Lekshmi</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/fresh-doubts-over-the-wisdom-of-nuclear-power/comment-page-1/#comment-6123</link>
		<dc:creator>Lekshmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Will UK taxpayers have to subsidise French nuclear company EDF &#171; nuclear-news</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/fresh-doubts-over-the-wisdom-of-nuclear-power/comment-page-1/#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>Will UK taxpayers have to subsidise French nuclear company EDF &#171; nuclear-news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nuclear power report, which this blog examined yesterday, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rwendland</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/fresh-doubts-over-the-wisdom-of-nuclear-power/comment-page-1/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>rwendland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CEO of Exelon (largest nuc fleet in US) very recently told the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works that $75/ton CO2 pricing is needed for economic deployment of new nuclear power. That is rather more than the £30-ish floor CO2 price some in the UK are talking about to make new nuclear power economic. He also said wind power needed a lower CO2 price to be economic at current wind penetration levels.

So if the CO2 price is pitched for new nucs to be economic against gas generation, wind generation should be even more profitable if this US CEO is right and the economics are roughly the same over here. Though this was a sales pitch for incentives, so we need to be a bit careful with his evidence.

Providing enough subsidy to tilt the playing field so nucs are built will be pretty tricky. I wonder how clearly Ed understands this yet.

Here is the link and quote:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&amp;FileStore_id=80f64c95-1286-4fc5-aefd-6afc4e261137

&quot;New wind generating capacity ranges from $45 to $80 per ton depending on the location. New nuclear generating capacity is $75 per ton. A new integrated gasification combined cycle plant with carbon capture and sequestration costs $160 per ton.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CEO of Exelon (largest nuc fleet in US) very recently told the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works that $75/ton CO2 pricing is needed for economic deployment of new nuclear power. That is rather more than the £30-ish floor CO2 price some in the UK are talking about to make new nuclear power economic. He also said wind power needed a lower CO2 price to be economic at current wind penetration levels.</p>
<p>So if the CO2 price is pitched for new nucs to be economic against gas generation, wind generation should be even more profitable if this US CEO is right and the economics are roughly the same over here. Though this was a sales pitch for incentives, so we need to be a bit careful with his evidence.</p>
<p>Providing enough subsidy to tilt the playing field so nucs are built will be pretty tricky. I wonder how clearly Ed understands this yet.</p>
<p>Here is the link and quote:</p>
<p><a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&amp;FileStore_id=80f64c95-1286-4fc5-aefd-6afc4e261137" rel="nofollow">http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&amp;FileStore_id=80f64c95-1286-4fc5-aefd-6afc4e261137</a></p>
<p>&#8220;New wind generating capacity ranges from $45 to $80 per ton depending on the location. New nuclear generating capacity is $75 per ton. A new integrated gasification combined cycle plant with carbon capture and sequestration costs $160 per ton.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The hidden costs of nuclear power &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/fresh-doubts-over-the-wisdom-of-nuclear-power/comment-page-1/#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator>The hidden costs of nuclear power &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nuclear power report, which this blog examined yesterday, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Rowberry</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/fresh-doubts-over-the-wisdom-of-nuclear-power/comment-page-1/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Rowberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the government have promised that no new nuclear power stations will be built unless the full cost of generation, including decommissioning and a fair share of waste disposal will be borne by the industry. I aksed Ed Milliband&#039;s office to confirm that this was still government policy several weeks ago and they still have not replied. It is my belief that nuclear needs even more government support than it currently recieves to be cost effective and the existence of nculear, because of the way that much of the cost occurs at the end of the power station&#039;s livfe (waste management and decommissioning) it undermines the take up of renewables, the only sustainable choice to meet our needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the government have promised that no new nuclear power stations will be built unless the full cost of generation, including decommissioning and a fair share of waste disposal will be borne by the industry. I aksed Ed Milliband&#8217;s office to confirm that this was still government policy several weeks ago and they still have not replied. It is my belief that nuclear needs even more government support than it currently recieves to be cost effective and the existence of nculear, because of the way that much of the cost occurs at the end of the power station&#8217;s livfe (waste management and decommissioning) it undermines the take up of renewables, the only sustainable choice to meet our needs.</p>
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		<title>By: No Wisdom In Nuclear Power. &#171; ModernityBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Wisdom In Nuclear Power. &#171; ModernityBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 12, 2009 3:38 am   Left Foot Forward presents some interesting facts to contradict the British Government&#8217;s statements on Nuclear power.     Posted by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is very simple. When the wind stops blowing there is no electricity from wind turbines and tidal power is also variable and on it&#039;s own cannot provide all the power we need. Pump storage solutions like Dinorwic are expensive and there are limited places that can be utilised. 

Basically we have to have some way to produce base load electricity. Couple into the mess that our CO2 generating power stations are aged (the daft way that electricity generation was privatised meant that it was not economic to upgrade power stations) and it means that we are desperate to build *something*.

Here&#039;s some figures from the Scottish Executive. By 2025 *all* existing power stations in Scotland will be closed. The Scottish Executive want to generate half of the country&#039;s electricity by renewable methods by 2020, but the cost of that has been estimated at £100bn. It is not clear what will be used to generate the other half, or where the £100bn will come from.

I don&#039;t have the figures for England, but I guess they are similarly doom-laden, but on a scale ten times larger. So frankly there are very few options available. There must be some base load generation and to keep to CO2 targets that means nuclear. As you say, there will have to be some public subsidy, but that is a price we will have to pay to stop our lights going out.

At least Labour is talking about nuclear power. The Tories currently have their heads in the sand and are more concerned with NIMBYs than the vast majority of us that need electricity. The Tories are also extremely unlikely to put any subsidy into any electricity generation, which means that if there is a Cameron government there is a very high chance of the lights going out towards the end of his first (and hopefully only) administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is very simple. When the wind stops blowing there is no electricity from wind turbines and tidal power is also variable and on it&#8217;s own cannot provide all the power we need. Pump storage solutions like Dinorwic are expensive and there are limited places that can be utilised. </p>
<p>Basically we have to have some way to produce base load electricity. Couple into the mess that our CO2 generating power stations are aged (the daft way that electricity generation was privatised meant that it was not economic to upgrade power stations) and it means that we are desperate to build *something*.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some figures from the Scottish Executive. By 2025 *all* existing power stations in Scotland will be closed. The Scottish Executive want to generate half of the country&#8217;s electricity by renewable methods by 2020, but the cost of that has been estimated at £100bn. It is not clear what will be used to generate the other half, or where the £100bn will come from.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the figures for England, but I guess they are similarly doom-laden, but on a scale ten times larger. So frankly there are very few options available. There must be some base load generation and to keep to CO2 targets that means nuclear. As you say, there will have to be some public subsidy, but that is a price we will have to pay to stop our lights going out.</p>
<p>At least Labour is talking about nuclear power. The Tories currently have their heads in the sand and are more concerned with NIMBYs than the vast majority of us that need electricity. The Tories are also extremely unlikely to put any subsidy into any electricity generation, which means that if there is a Cameron government there is a very high chance of the lights going out towards the end of his first (and hopefully only) administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Fresh doubts over the wisdom of nuclear power &#124; Left Foot Forward: Now the Telegraph reports today, in the fina.. http://bit.ly/1diIFm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Joss Garman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Garman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should&#039;ve also linked to this excellent piece from Jeremy Leggett: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/10/nuclear-power-uk-questions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should&#8217;ve also linked to this excellent piece from Jeremy Leggett: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/10/nuclear-power-uk-questions" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/10/nuclear-power-uk-questions</a></p>
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