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	<title>Comments on: Is the Government answering the wrong question on immigration?</title>
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		<title>By: jj johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/is-the-government-answering-the-wrong-question-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>jj johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i disagree....i think that all immagrants should be able to decide for themselves and not the goverment.....its clearly up to those who come to this country as an immigrant to find out if they are ready to accept the laws and way of life here in america, just like everyone else wants to decide for themselves, &quot;outsiders&quot; should as well......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i disagree&#8230;.i think that all immagrants should be able to decide for themselves and not the goverment&#8230;..its clearly up to those who come to this country as an immigrant to find out if they are ready to accept the laws and way of life here in america, just like everyone else wants to decide for themselves, &#8220;outsiders&#8221; should as well&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Politics Summary: Friday, November 13th &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/is-the-government-answering-the-wrong-question-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-1642</link>
		<dc:creator>Politics Summary: Friday, November 13th &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Left Foot Forward asked yesterday whether Gordon Brown was answering the wrong question on immigration. He announced that more than 250,000 skilled jobs will be closed to non-European overseas workers. An official review of student visas will look at raising the minimum level of course, introducing mandatory English language tests, and blocking overseas students from working part-time in temporary jobs. Brown dismissed Tory plans for an annual quota of migrant workers. Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, heads of the cross-party Balanced Migration Group, said: “The prime minister misses the big picture. The points-based system has no limit, affects just 20 per cent of immigration, and will not stop the UK’s population hitting 70m in 2029.” Keith Best of the Immigration Advisory Service said he was &#8220;very worried&#8221; that any clampdown on student visas could harm the UK&#8217;s lucrative English-language teaching sector. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Left Foot Forward asked yesterday whether Gordon Brown was answering the wrong question on immigration. He announced that more than 250,000 skilled jobs will be closed to non-European overseas workers. An official review of student visas will look at raising the minimum level of course, introducing mandatory English language tests, and blocking overseas students from working part-time in temporary jobs. Brown dismissed Tory plans for an annual quota of migrant workers. Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, heads of the cross-party Balanced Migration Group, said: “The prime minister misses the big picture. The points-based system has no limit, affects just 20 per cent of immigration, and will not stop the UK’s population hitting 70m in 2029.” Keith Best of the Immigration Advisory Service said he was &#8220;very worried&#8221; that any clampdown on student visas could harm the UK&#8217;s lucrative English-language teaching sector. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Asato</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/is-the-government-answering-the-wrong-question-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-9215</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Asato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd Is the Government answering the wrong question on immigration? asks ippr&#039;s Sarah Mulley http://bit.ly/4kbD8e &lt; yes!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd Is the Government answering the wrong question on immigration? asks ippr&#39;s Sarah Mulley <a href="http://bit.ly/4kbD8e" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4kbD8e</a> &lt; yes!</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Asato</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/is-the-government-answering-the-wrong-question-on-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Asato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree with this Sarah. It&#039;s not that there shouldn&#039;t be a debate about immigration it&#039;s on what terms that debate is conducted. Brown&#039;s speech seemed to start from the premise that immigrants who come to this country are not prepared to accept British law or understand British values, that they automatically impose a burden on public services which they must pay for, and that they undercut working-class Brits in the jobs market. I am sure that there are examples of this happening for all three situations, but to suggest that they are always a consequence of immigration is misleading. I don&#039;t see why it is as Brown asserts, &#039;entirely fair that newcomers themselves should be asked to make an additional contribution, over and above the taxes they pay, to help the communities they are joining&#039; - what if they don&#039;t impose a burden at all? What if they bring in wealth to this country?

The other issue which I didn&#039;t feel was addressed in Brown&#039;s speech was not immediate immigration but the position of older waves of immigrants. Many of the conflicts in Bradford and Oldham do not occur simply within new migrant communities, but among young people who were born and raised here. Poverty, joblessness, lack of aspiration and racial hostility are what really affects social cohesion on our estates. There is a danger that Brown will give a false sense that the jobs he is saving are for white citizens only, not brown or black ones. And the only way you head that off is by saying loud and clear that migrants who came here legally and settled in this country deserve exactly the same rights to work, to social housing and to benefits as white citizens. That was somehow missing in the speech I felt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree with this Sarah. It&#8217;s not that there shouldn&#8217;t be a debate about immigration it&#8217;s on what terms that debate is conducted. Brown&#8217;s speech seemed to start from the premise that immigrants who come to this country are not prepared to accept British law or understand British values, that they automatically impose a burden on public services which they must pay for, and that they undercut working-class Brits in the jobs market. I am sure that there are examples of this happening for all three situations, but to suggest that they are always a consequence of immigration is misleading. I don&#8217;t see why it is as Brown asserts, &#8216;entirely fair that newcomers themselves should be asked to make an additional contribution, over and above the taxes they pay, to help the communities they are joining&#8217; &#8211; what if they don&#8217;t impose a burden at all? What if they bring in wealth to this country?</p>
<p>The other issue which I didn&#8217;t feel was addressed in Brown&#8217;s speech was not immediate immigration but the position of older waves of immigrants. Many of the conflicts in Bradford and Oldham do not occur simply within new migrant communities, but among young people who were born and raised here. Poverty, joblessness, lack of aspiration and racial hostility are what really affects social cohesion on our estates. There is a danger that Brown will give a false sense that the jobs he is saving are for white citizens only, not brown or black ones. And the only way you head that off is by saying loud and clear that migrants who came here legally and settled in this country deserve exactly the same rights to work, to social housing and to benefits as white citizens. That was somehow missing in the speech I felt.</p>
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