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		<title>By: 100 reasons why "vote blue, go green" won't work &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-3341</link>
		<dc:creator>100 reasons why "vote blue, go green" won't work &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently hosted a &#8220;climate sceptics&#8221; conference in Brussels, which featured Nigel Lawson&#8217;s protege Benny [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anon E Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Told you they were fiddling the data. 

Forget the emails. Anyone who writes computer programs in a high level language, such as C, puts in comments to remind themselves of what the code is dong and to allow future programmers to make changes to the code.

There are two files normally generated, a &quot;Source Code&quot; file (where the comments are) and the compiled file or &quot;Object&quot; (.obj) file or .asm file.

(I&#039;m a 1980&#039;s Z80 man so this may be dated but you get the point) 

The file, after compiling, has the comments and other stuff removed and it is basically (no pun there) the &quot;computer code&quot; for the machine to run on.

So the climate change programmer has left his comments here:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/22/cru-emails-may-be-open-to-interpretation-but-commented-code-by-the-programmer-tells-the-real-story/

Personally since they don&#039;t include the effects of the sun I can&#039;t take the data seriously but I&#039;m surprised that this terrific blog, being progressive as it claims, hasn&#039;t picked up on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Told you they were fiddling the data. </p>
<p>Forget the emails. Anyone who writes computer programs in a high level language, such as C, puts in comments to remind themselves of what the code is dong and to allow future programmers to make changes to the code.</p>
<p>There are two files normally generated, a &#8220;Source Code&#8221; file (where the comments are) and the compiled file or &#8220;Object&#8221; (.obj) file or .asm file.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m a 1980&#8217;s Z80 man so this may be dated but you get the point) </p>
<p>The file, after compiling, has the comments and other stuff removed and it is basically (no pun there) the &#8220;computer code&#8221; for the machine to run on.</p>
<p>So the climate change programmer has left his comments here:</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/22/cru-emails-may-be-open-to-interpretation-but-commented-code-by-the-programmer-tells-the-real-story/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/22/cru-emails-may-be-open-to-interpretation-but-commented-code-by-the-programmer-tells-the-real-story/</a></p>
<p>Personally since they don&#8217;t include the effects of the sun I can&#8217;t take the data seriously but I&#8217;m surprised that this terrific blog, being progressive as it claims, hasn&#8217;t picked up on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1950</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian - &quot;At present, however, the warming is taking a break,&quot; confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany&#039;s best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. &quot;There can be no argument about that,&quot; he says. &quot;We have to face that fact.&quot;

Let&#039;s see how long it takes to smear and lie about his character...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &#8211; &#8220;At present, however, the warming is taking a break,&#8221; confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany&#8217;s best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. &#8220;There can be no argument about that,&#8221; he says. &#8220;We have to face that fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how long it takes to smear and lie about his character&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bolton</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, how do you know the planet is getting colder? I understand the frustration of lack of proper information though. I just want to see us use more efficient energy sources. There are apparently no solar panels in Dubai, and considering this is almost a desert with constant sunshine, it&#039;s ridiculous. I think overall we are a very stupid race and we can&#039;t keep taking from this planet. This is opinion though, not scientific fact!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, how do you know the planet is getting colder? I understand the frustration of lack of proper information though. I just want to see us use more efficient energy sources. There are apparently no solar panels in Dubai, and considering this is almost a desert with constant sunshine, it&#8217;s ridiculous. I think overall we are a very stupid race and we can&#8217;t keep taking from this planet. This is opinion though, not scientific fact!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1947</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Blogger - All I said was that I am not interested in scientific opinion just fact. I was not directly criticising you I just said:

“Since there is no evidence to prove the case, I have studied the available scientific opinions and with the following caveats (eg the heat from the sun is not included etc) it is my belief that man made CO2 may cause global warming”. It is impossible to say any more than that with any accuracy.

In the Times this morning Nigel Lawson argues it is cruel to poor countries to enforce more expensive forms of energy on them - I dislike the Nottinghill set type of people forcing their views on me, especially when there is no evidence of (man made)CO2 causing global warming.

Worse is the CRU and these emails that show how the data is being faked to show rising temperatures (they have to be faked since the planet keeps getting colder), no access to the raw data allowed(?), refusing FOI requests and preventing scientists who disagree with them getting papers published.

This whole thing stinks of censorship which is why this site will fail to feature the CRU thing in an article because to me being &quot;progressive&quot; means stamping on dissent even in the face of actual evidence rather than opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Blogger &#8211; All I said was that I am not interested in scientific opinion just fact. I was not directly criticising you I just said:</p>
<p>“Since there is no evidence to prove the case, I have studied the available scientific opinions and with the following caveats (eg the heat from the sun is not included etc) it is my belief that man made CO2 may cause global warming”. It is impossible to say any more than that with any accuracy.</p>
<p>In the Times this morning Nigel Lawson argues it is cruel to poor countries to enforce more expensive forms of energy on them &#8211; I dislike the Nottinghill set type of people forcing their views on me, especially when there is no evidence of (man made)CO2 causing global warming.</p>
<p>Worse is the CRU and these emails that show how the data is being faked to show rising temperatures (they have to be faked since the planet keeps getting colder), no access to the raw data allowed(?), refusing FOI requests and preventing scientists who disagree with them getting papers published.</p>
<p>This whole thing stinks of censorship which is why this site will fail to feature the CRU thing in an article because to me being &#8220;progressive&#8221; means stamping on dissent even in the face of actual evidence rather than opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1930</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been doing something more important but just got back. 

Anon you deliberately misunderstood me. I never said that I was a climate scientist nor ever done any climate science (but I know a man who does...). I like to do experiments in a laboratory, where it is nice and warm. The climate scientists just like standing in the rain. ::grin:: I was explaining to you how science works, and then pointing out that Helmer&#039;s little knees up is not science, it is essentially a support group.

Anyway, if you want a chuckle have a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Delingpole&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt;. He&#039;s now straying into delusional territory here, but who knows, maybe there really &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a huge conspiracy. As I said upthread, I work on evidence, so I am waiting to see how this pans out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been doing something more important but just got back. </p>
<p>Anon you deliberately misunderstood me. I never said that I was a climate scientist nor ever done any climate science (but I know a man who does&#8230;). I like to do experiments in a laboratory, where it is nice and warm. The climate scientists just like standing in the rain. ::grin:: I was explaining to you how science works, and then pointing out that Helmer&#8217;s little knees up is not science, it is essentially a support group.</p>
<p>Anyway, if you want a chuckle have a look at <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">Delingpole&#8217;s blog</a>. He&#8217;s now straying into delusional territory here, but who knows, maybe there really <i>is</i> a huge conspiracy. As I said upthread, I work on evidence, so I am waiting to see how this pans out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1924</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian - I&#039;m not deliberately being awkward and I hate pollution and wastage generally.

I &quot;want&quot; to believe that man made CO2 causes Global Warming so I can bang on at the government about the Heathrow Runway and stuff but I find nothing compelling so far.

Irrespective of Global Warming we should reduce our use of non renewable fuels big time. I live in Wales so let&#039;s have the Severn barrage to give the locals jobs and generate free electricity. The views on the river (one of the local objections) are surely destroyed by the two bridges anyway.

Tidal energy as well - we are an island for goodness sake and the technology is submerged!

Crazy days Ian.  Have a good weekend man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &#8211; I&#8217;m not deliberately being awkward and I hate pollution and wastage generally.</p>
<p>I &#8220;want&#8221; to believe that man made CO2 causes Global Warming so I can bang on at the government about the Heathrow Runway and stuff but I find nothing compelling so far.</p>
<p>Irrespective of Global Warming we should reduce our use of non renewable fuels big time. I live in Wales so let&#8217;s have the Severn barrage to give the locals jobs and generate free electricity. The views on the river (one of the local objections) are surely destroyed by the two bridges anyway.</p>
<p>Tidal energy as well &#8211; we are an island for goodness sake and the technology is submerged!</p>
<p>Crazy days Ian.  Have a good weekend man.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bolton</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1913</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Richard was just stating that without any scientific facts everything is just theory. Some people go on faith, and believe only in what they feel is right (which is a very stupid). When we have people who openly deny global warming, without facts, it breeds issues of trust and our basic human rights become questionable.
I completely understand what you mean though. If we are given no evidence then what are we supposed to believe? The only opinion of the matter I have is that I find it frustrating we are having CO2 emissions adverts on TV, some of which are a bit shocking, and a majority of the people in the country will not even question the motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Richard was just stating that without any scientific facts everything is just theory. Some people go on faith, and believe only in what they feel is right (which is a very stupid). When we have people who openly deny global warming, without facts, it breeds issues of trust and our basic human rights become questionable.<br />
I completely understand what you mean though. If we are given no evidence then what are we supposed to believe? The only opinion of the matter I have is that I find it frustrating we are having CO2 emissions adverts on TV, some of which are a bit shocking, and a majority of the people in the country will not even question the motives.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1903</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian - the point I make is that without a scrap of evidence the public are immediately taxed on the basis of flawed science.

El Nino and La Nina are ignored by these &quot;climate-change-experts&quot;. If you email them they say that doesn&#039;t affect the overall climate. What kind of answer is that? 

My point about Richard Blogger is that as an engineer/physicist/scientist - whatever, he should have proof before giving a definitive answer. 

He doesn&#039;t know - no one does for certain and therefore he should say:

&quot;Since there is no evidence to prove the case, I have studied the available scientific opinions and with the following caveats (eg the heat from the sun is not included etc) it is my belief that man made CO2 may cause global warming&quot;.

Anything else cannot be stated and with a discipline employed by a engineer/physicist/scientist he is being disingenuous if he claims otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &#8211; the point I make is that without a scrap of evidence the public are immediately taxed on the basis of flawed science.</p>
<p>El Nino and La Nina are ignored by these &#8220;climate-change-experts&#8221;. If you email them they say that doesn&#8217;t affect the overall climate. What kind of answer is that? </p>
<p>My point about Richard Blogger is that as an engineer/physicist/scientist &#8211; whatever, he should have proof before giving a definitive answer. </p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t know &#8211; no one does for certain and therefore he should say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Since there is no evidence to prove the case, I have studied the available scientific opinions and with the following caveats (eg the heat from the sun is not included etc) it is my belief that man made CO2 may cause global warming&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anything else cannot be stated and with a discipline employed by a engineer/physicist/scientist he is being disingenuous if he claims otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bolton</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/11/tory-mep-host-climate-sceptics-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-1893</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Anon, not all science is based on the way the planet functions but it&#039;s safe to say physics is classed as a science. What if he has a science degree? Would Richard Blogger then be able to unlock this mystery? You seem so sure, and seem to be almost preaching, that our climate change/CO2 issue isn&#039;t man made. Fair enough, but where&#039;s you evidence for that side of the argument. Neither can be proved yet as we have no complete evidence from REAL scientists, so maybe you&#039;re getting ahead of yourself. I&#039;m a graphic designer, so why should i have any opinion on such matters anyway? I&#039;m not a scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Anon, not all science is based on the way the planet functions but it&#8217;s safe to say physics is classed as a science. What if he has a science degree? Would Richard Blogger then be able to unlock this mystery? You seem so sure, and seem to be almost preaching, that our climate change/CO2 issue isn&#8217;t man made. Fair enough, but where&#8217;s you evidence for that side of the argument. Neither can be proved yet as we have no complete evidence from REAL scientists, so maybe you&#8217;re getting ahead of yourself. I&#8217;m a graphic designer, so why should i have any opinion on such matters anyway? I&#8217;m not a scientist.</p>
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