Hungarian Nazis meet in Camden pub

Bloody hell, lefties going on about antisemitism!

A Searchlight investigation discovered that “the country that provides the largest number of visitors to the British National Party website is South Africa”, and that there are a growing number of South African BNP members – the most prominent being Arthur Kemp, editor of the BNP website…

Arthur Kemp is Rhodesian you thick idiots!

“however. South African white supremacist group “The Orania Movement” reportedly hold regular meetings at the Aardvark pub in Canada Water in Docklands.” – Have spoken to them, they had one meeting with ethnic Afrikaners(Boers), in SA whites are the minority but so are a variety of ethnic groups, and Boers are one such ethnic group. The writer’s problem might stem from the fact that they are white but this certainly does not make them “white supremacist”. If your language and culture is practices world wide then I guess “supremacy” would appear to you as the only reason, for such action. This searchlight group do not appear to be a trustworthy source and this website are quite unbalanced and inaccurate.

Ons Kan Ook’….you say: “In South Africa whites are the minority…’ quite amazing then that they ruled the country for for so long and oppressed the majority population…… and it is no coincidence that right wing, racist groups in the UK eg BNP & NF et al have close allegiances to certain white groups in SA.

Nice use of the word “Rhodesian” from Davey! It’s pretty clear where his sympathies lie. Now, listen very carefully, it’s spelt Zim-bab-we…

As a member of the Orania Movement, I strongly object to being labelled a “white supremacist”. No person can claim superiority over another based on the color of his or her skin. It was not the Afrikaners in South Africa who introduced the system of ethnic seperation. It was the British Empire builders. Afrikaners had no option other than maintaining the status quo set by Brittain in the Union of South Africa after our defeat in the Anglo-Boer war. Why else did Brittain and especially Margeret Thatcher support the Apartheid government? Today we are glad to be freed from the shackles of having to govern the whole country created so artificially by the British, but we do claim and toil for the right to govern ourselves in the true spirit of classical liberalism. We however do not deny any other person, irrespective of race or creed, the opportunity to set claim to similar rights for themselves. This is truly progressive thinking – in line with what modern multi-cultural trends dictate for peaceful co-existense in ethnically diverse states. Please visit our website http://www.orania.co.za/english/ for youself and let me know if you find any white supremacist propaganda on the site.

Ebert – “Afrikaners had no option other than maintaining the status quo….” they were obviously very happy maintaining such a horrible and ugly regime for quite a few generations and if I remember correctly were quite reluctant to see it all go…..

[...] Camden, London. Left Foot Forward reports that European neofascists, the Jobbik, recently held a meeting in a Camden pub recently: “Hungarian Nazis have held a meeting at a pub in Camden. Fifty thugs from the far-Right [...]

Liz McShane – Afrikaners were investing an exhausting amount of our taxes to develop rural South Africa, building roads, schools, hospitals and universities – not just for ourselves – but also for all South Africans, including ex President Mandela who obtained a law degree at a South African university funded by Afrikaner taxpayers. Of course there would have been those who were reluctant to let it all go, but the greatest majority of Afrikaners voted for change in South Africa and it was due to our civility in the matter that caused it to be one of the most peaceful transitions of power that this world has ever witnessed. At this point in time it would be pertinent to note that Afrikaners have given more to their fellow Africans than was ever given to them by the European Colonial Powers, including Brittain.

Ebert _ i d not dispute the negative legacy of European colonialism on the continent of African or anywhere else in the world but I think you have a very hard job trying to convince people of the compassionate nature of the Afrikaans Apartheid regime. It was scourge on humanity and the fact that it lasted so long is an absolute disgrace.

Liz – Even though Apartheid was a lot more compassionate than the European Colonial Policies, it had to change, and none knew it better than Afrikaners themselves, but Apartheid could only have ended once the ANC was willing to change their Stalinist Ideology to a more liberal one. Had the Berlin wall fallen in 1969, then Apartheid would have been able to end in 1974. You cannot view these events in isolation. A peaceful transition would not have been viable if the only possible outcome was Stalinist Communism. The ANC’s hard line stance on ideology in support of Communism before 1989 made it impossible for progressive Afrikaners to negotiate change with their more conservative kinsmen and -women. Once the Berlin wall and Communism fell away as ideological possibilities for South Africa, Afrikaners were more than willing to end their minority rule over all.

Ebert – a really interesting & novel analysis of why the inhumane, unjust and ugly Apartheid regime took so long to come to an end. It’s quite convenient to try and put a veneer of respectability on its slow but very welcome demise.

Ebert, this is a quite extraordinary re-writing of history. Blaming the ANC for Apartheid not ending sooner! Are you insane?!

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Apartheid ended when the ANC and NP was able to negotiate a mutually agreeable constitution for South Africa. The fact that these parties could not reach an agreement earlier can hardly be blamed on just one of them, ANC or NP. What I am saying is that both parties contributed to the long stalemate in negotiations for a post-Apartheid South Africa. This is hardly extraordinary Shamik, it is politics and it is history. Liz, Afrikaners were just as thankfull to see the end of Apartheid as most other peoples, so don’t even try to patronise me. It was us who endend it, remember? What is even a greater pity is the fact that more people have died unnatural deaths annually in South Africa after 1994 than before 1994. I do not state this to try and justify Apartheid or even to say that it was better than the current regime, but rather to point out that our current political and social regime is still a very far cry from the ideal.

“Liz, Afrikaners were just as thankfull to see the end of Apartheid as most other peoples, ”

Yeah… right……

“Yeah… right……”

Liz, why then did more Afrikaners per capita vote to end Apartheid in South Africa than their English speaking compatriots?

Afrikaners comprimise only about 55% of the total white population in South Africa and more than 80% of them voted to end Apartheid, which was more per capita than the English speaking whites living in South Africa.

It was the English who introduced their Colonial Pass Laws in South Africa and they were the system’s staunchest supportes right up to the end.

Liz, you seem to be very biased, with a tad too much of anti-Afrikaner sentiment.

Orania certainly have right to protect there language, culture, heritage and way of life. So the basis of people’s objection is that they may not because they are white? I can defend there town entirely on race alone. White children under the age of 10 in South-Africa now make up less then 5% of that demographic group, most will however over the next 2/3 generation emigrate as has been the trend over the last decade or so with young whites. If there are no whites in South-Africa in what terms will you call it a multi racial South-Africa? To call a minority agitating for minority rights Nazi or racists (even if they are white) is as blatantly stupid as calling Hitler a cool hippie. You get black neighborhoods in Europe, Muslim communities in Europe, Black cities in America, gay communities, Rasta communities, Jewish communities, Chinatowns everywhere, and in the whole sub-Sahara Africa there is one white town, not 100 not a 1000, just one, and somehow this is suddenly an abomination to humanity, if you have a problem with it you are either extremely insecure or need a course in logic.