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		<title>By: Anon E Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2339</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a chance to do something radical immediately...

That Climate Change Data Fiddling &quot;Scientist&quot; Phil Jones has just resigned over the CRU Email/Deliberately-Inaccurate-Software (in their favour of course). Good riddance.

Bet they still don&#039;t find the raw data they &quot;accidentally&quot; destroyed....

Anyway, since Will was quick enough to clarify his position and stop the inaccurate story on Guido and the G20 - the right move imo - will he now go back and correct previous topics such as &quot;The data is accurate don&#039;t let the deniers blah blah&quot;. Where&#039;s Joss Garman today?

The data (&quot;hockey stick&quot; specifically) is incorrect and by definition so were those postings. 

Now there is a chance to be radical and honest at the same time. I wait with baited breath....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a chance to do something radical immediately&#8230;</p>
<p>That Climate Change Data Fiddling &#8220;Scientist&#8221; Phil Jones has just resigned over the CRU Email/Deliberately-Inaccurate-Software (in their favour of course). Good riddance.</p>
<p>Bet they still don&#8217;t find the raw data they &#8220;accidentally&#8221; destroyed&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway, since Will was quick enough to clarify his position and stop the inaccurate story on Guido and the G20 &#8211; the right move imo &#8211; will he now go back and correct previous topics such as &#8220;The data is accurate don&#8217;t let the deniers blah blah&#8221;. Where&#8217;s Joss Garman today?</p>
<p>The data (&#8220;hockey stick&#8221; specifically) is incorrect and by definition so were those postings. </p>
<p>Now there is a chance to be radical and honest at the same time. I wait with baited breath&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Citing the lack of reaction to the £60 billion loaned to the Royal Bank of Scotland by the Bank of England without taxpayer knowledge, Mr Pugh began with surprise at the un-radical nature of our politics.&quot;

What reaction should there be?

&quot;Well, central banks are there in part to make sure the banking system doesn&#039;t fall over. Provider of liquidity in the last resort it says in my textbook here. What&#039;s that? The Bank of England provided liquidity in the last resort to stop the banking system falling over? Well, that&#039;s what they&#039;re there for isn&#039;t it?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Citing the lack of reaction to the £60 billion loaned to the Royal Bank of Scotland by the Bank of England without taxpayer knowledge, Mr Pugh began with surprise at the un-radical nature of our politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>What reaction should there be?</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, central banks are there in part to make sure the banking system doesn&#8217;t fall over. Provider of liquidity in the last resort it says in my textbook here. What&#8217;s that? The Bank of England provided liquidity in the last resort to stop the banking system falling over? Well, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re there for isn&#8217;t it?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Malthus</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>Malthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think radical politics are alive and well.... on the right. At least in the US. The internet has helped  a burgeoning and radical libertarianism take hold amongst the young. It was F.A. Hayek who said what we can learn from the socialists is the “courage to be utopian”. And something like an embryonic world movement is developing. And if our opponents can not offer a competing vision then the centre will inexorably be drawn towards us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think radical politics are alive and well&#8230;. on the right. At least in the US. The internet has helped  a burgeoning and radical libertarianism take hold amongst the young. It was F.A. Hayek who said what we can learn from the socialists is the “courage to be utopian”. And something like an embryonic world movement is developing. And if our opponents can not offer a competing vision then the centre will inexorably be drawn towards us.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2330</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radical might be people challenging everything and not accepting anything that is thrown at them - particularly by those that govern us. 

Look at radicals going back in music - can you really see Bob Dylan or the Sex Pistols chanting the government mantra on anything? Just on principal they would usually disagree with anything they were told and thankfully so. 

My big gripe here is the Climate Cooling Deniers on this blog who just openly accept anything thrown at them without questioning any of it... and I don&#039;t know why.

Labour, (whether you support them or not is not relevant to the point here), used to be really radical, sometimes to the point of stupidity but it was *real*. 

I want to see Kinnock and Deggsy passionately shouting and going head to head in Liverpool - not some stage managed funeral of a conference where Peter Mandelson plays a pantomime horse saying: &quot;If I can come back...you can come back&quot; to a near empty hall of sycophants. 

That is not radical, it&#039;s just horrible and Beven must be turning in his grave because you keep back slapping each other and do not consider what Labour should be for, which is helping people who are less able than yourselves.  

I never thought I&#039;d say this but even Peter Hain was radical in his youth with the Apartheid stuff, so how do we go from people so active and passionate in politics to the lifeless bunch of robots who participate in this blog? (No offence guys)

The Left needs a narrative if it wants to be relevant in the future - you can&#039;t see it (it&#039;s an age thing) but Europe is going to the right and your cranky narrow minded views will seem as unelectable as Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament was in the 1980&#039;s. 

Smear me and call me an extremist if you want (as Shamik Das normally does) but the politics of the playground will only increase your time in opposition and this country needs a real opposition rather than just the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radical might be people challenging everything and not accepting anything that is thrown at them &#8211; particularly by those that govern us. </p>
<p>Look at radicals going back in music &#8211; can you really see Bob Dylan or the Sex Pistols chanting the government mantra on anything? Just on principal they would usually disagree with anything they were told and thankfully so. </p>
<p>My big gripe here is the Climate Cooling Deniers on this blog who just openly accept anything thrown at them without questioning any of it&#8230; and I don&#8217;t know why.</p>
<p>Labour, (whether you support them or not is not relevant to the point here), used to be really radical, sometimes to the point of stupidity but it was *real*. </p>
<p>I want to see Kinnock and Deggsy passionately shouting and going head to head in Liverpool &#8211; not some stage managed funeral of a conference where Peter Mandelson plays a pantomime horse saying: &#8220;If I can come back&#8230;you can come back&#8221; to a near empty hall of sycophants. </p>
<p>That is not radical, it&#8217;s just horrible and Beven must be turning in his grave because you keep back slapping each other and do not consider what Labour should be for, which is helping people who are less able than yourselves.  </p>
<p>I never thought I&#8217;d say this but even Peter Hain was radical in his youth with the Apartheid stuff, so how do we go from people so active and passionate in politics to the lifeless bunch of robots who participate in this blog? (No offence guys)</p>
<p>The Left needs a narrative if it wants to be relevant in the future &#8211; you can&#8217;t see it (it&#8217;s an age thing) but Europe is going to the right and your cranky narrow minded views will seem as unelectable as Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament was in the 1980&#8242;s. </p>
<p>Smear me and call me an extremist if you want (as Shamik Das normally does) but the politics of the playground will only increase your time in opposition and this country needs a real opposition rather than just the press.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Blofeld</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2320</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Blofeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radical?  Well........ you say you are evidence based on this blog.  Thus- step 1 - stake a long hard and sober look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://billyblofeld.blogspot.com/2009/12/left-foot-in-mouth.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Track record of this government over the last 12 years.&lt;/a&gt;

Now the radical bit.......... think differently.  Ask yourselves where Labour has been going wrong all this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radical?  Well&#8230;&#8230;.. you say you are evidence based on this blog.  Thus- step 1 &#8211; stake a long hard and sober look at the <a href="http://billyblofeld.blogspot.com/2009/12/left-foot-in-mouth.html" rel="nofollow">Track record of this government over the last 12 years.</a></p>
<p>Now the radical bit&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. think differently.  Ask yourselves where Labour has been going wrong all this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-9172</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;What is radical politics today? &#124; Left Foot Forward http://bit.ly/7n4pGZ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">What is radical politics today? | Left Foot Forward <a href="http://bit.ly/7n4pGZ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/7n4pGZ</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: bbJ</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>bbJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Span Ows,

Shamik and Will regularly spout trash on Liar(Labour)list. As for nonpartisan blog, this is classic New Labour spin&#039;esq rubbish. 

Well done LFF by your action you show how suited to the lies of politics in New Labour World you are. So contemptible you vile people are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Span Ows,</p>
<p>Shamik and Will regularly spout trash on Liar(Labour)list. As for nonpartisan blog, this is classic New Labour spin&#8217;esq rubbish. </p>
<p>Well done LFF by your action you show how suited to the lies of politics in New Labour World you are. So contemptible you vile people are.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is right to ignore nostalgia but the vision of an alternative society is something that radical politics desperately needs. You can talk all you like about movements and empowerment and all that good stuff but if you actually do not have an alternative vision of where your going to present to people then it&#039;s all pretty much empty talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is right to ignore nostalgia but the vision of an alternative society is something that radical politics desperately needs. You can talk all you like about movements and empowerment and all that good stuff but if you actually do not have an alternative vision of where your going to present to people then it&#8217;s all pretty much empty talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Span Ows</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2294</link>
		<dc:creator>Span Ows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just reading on the &quot;About&quot; tab. I see from that page and your sidebar links what you are &quot;Fighting for&quot; and &quot;Fighting against&quot;:

1.Sustainable economy
2.Public services for all
3.Safe communities
4.A multilateral foreign policy

We are fighting against:

1.Public greed
2.Administrative incompetence
3.Media manipulation and bias to support a hidden agenda.
4.The threat of racism and extremism.

Excellent; all this leads me to believe you must be totally against Labour and New Labour, it&#039;s obvious. Now, imagine my surprise - when reading you are a nonpartisan blog - to notice no stories about/against Labour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reading on the &#8220;About&#8221; tab. I see from that page and your sidebar links what you are &#8220;Fighting for&#8221; and &#8220;Fighting against&#8221;:</p>
<p>1.Sustainable economy<br />
2.Public services for all<br />
3.Safe communities<br />
4.A multilateral foreign policy</p>
<p>We are fighting against:</p>
<p>1.Public greed<br />
2.Administrative incompetence<br />
3.Media manipulation and bias to support a hidden agenda.<br />
4.The threat of racism and extremism.</p>
<p>Excellent; all this leads me to believe you must be totally against Labour and New Labour, it&#8217;s obvious. Now, imagine my surprise &#8211; when reading you are a nonpartisan blog &#8211; to notice no stories about/against Labour?</p>
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		<title>By: Diversity</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2009/12/what-is-radical-politics-today/comment-page-1/#comment-2290</link>
		<dc:creator>Diversity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a radical all my life, by temperment and conviction, and this looks like cloud-cuckoo land to me. But then I am a LibDem - unvictimised oppostion pushing steadily for modern, radical change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a radical all my life, by temperment and conviction, and this looks like cloud-cuckoo land to me. But then I am a LibDem &#8211; unvictimised oppostion pushing steadily for modern, radical change.</p>
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