Latest Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.”

What a c*** —> RT @leftfootfwd: Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

RT @leftfootfwd: Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

RT @leftfootfwd: Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

RT @leftfootfwd: Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

RT @leftfootfwd Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

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Shamik – When has the left ever condemned this disgusting behaviour from a minority of muslims? Just hit me with say six examples from New Labour condemning it…

Oh I forgot Saudi Arabia deals prevent you from doing that. And Geert Wilders and so on. But still no condemnation of the behaviour…

This man is entitled to his opinion Shamik – you may disagree but he is entitled to it and once the Indy goes right wing you’ll only have The Mirror left and no serious people read that rag. Oh and The Guardian but they feel the same about Brown as most people do.

Comments like this Shamik serve only to hasten Labour’s defeat and make the party look petty and small minded – well done – thanks for nothing.

RT @antonvowl RT @leftfootfwd Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

RT @leftfootfwd: Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

This is how it works now, isn't it? Bile sells. Flagging newspapers want sales. Therefore, bile wins. http://is.gd/64LCQ

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Keep digging, you will hit bedrock eventually. Honestly your pejorative reporting makes the new-left, more right than the old one – look positively vindictive and intolerant.

Like it or not, not as it would appear, many ‘ordinary voters’ have sympathy with Liddle’s views – the inability of New Labour to engage with immigration and Islamic terrorism in a convincing and credible manner makes them look ridiculous. Implying anybody that does is a racist then refusing to discuss is a lazy rejection of the responsibility of politicians to engage with the electorate.

[...] as the website Left Foot Forward noted today, Liddle has continued to churn out shocking remarks, such as referring to “Somali savages”, and [...]

Polaris – i think LFF is right to expose and challenge Rod Liddle’s views especially as he is being touted as the next editor of The Indy.
The danger with people like him is that their lazy and populist analysis of things in this case
in this case Muslims is that he uses the extreme views and actions of a minority to tar the whole muslim population.

This happened to the Irish in Britain in the 1970s and 1980s and just encourages and panders to racism and racists . He must be the BNP’s new poster boy.

RT @leftfootfwd: Latest Rod Liddle outburst: “F*** off back to where you’re from, then, you Muslims.” http://is.gd/64LCQ

Who the fck reads the Independent anyway?

Any Muslim who wants to turn this country into a Muslim state can as Rod Liddle so eloquently puts it, “f*ck off back to where they came from”. I think the majority of the UK population would feel the same way and last time I looked we were a democracy where the majority rules.

It’s all the political correctness and failure to stand up for any shared BRITISH culture that has led in part to the UK becoming a virtual non entity. Every minority seems to be given more prominence than the majority of the population. If you live in tehis country you should live by British values.

It’s the left’s obsession with minorities and ignoring the majority of the population that has turned a lot of your natural supporters to the BNP. Just think about your actions……go on just once…..you might actually create some policies that the population can support. Unlikely but possible!!

What is laughable about this theme is the hypocrisy. This blog promotes itself as “provid[ing] evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy developments.” It goes on to say that “we are focused purely on the quality of policies and furthering progressive goals, rather than on promoting individual politicians and parties.” It seems reasonable to assume this also means avoiding the business of attacking individuals. Your comments policy precludes personal attacks; does that restriction apply to the blog articles?

This story is explicitly about attacking an individual, Rod Liddle. It is about accusing him of sexism, racism, anti-science and islamophobia, generally using hyperbole and wilful misrepresentation. I do note that Left Foot Forward does also set itself the target to fight “media manipulation and bias to support a hidden agenda” and “the threat of racism and extremism” (well done you, how’s it going), but I struggle to see how Rod Liddle can be seriously accused of either.

LLF set itself these, to be honest slightly pompous, goals; it seems reasonable to judge you by them. If you are that concerned about a perceived lack of balance in the news media, you could do an evidence-based analysis on why progressives can’t to bothered to buy the newspapers that they demand should be supplied. You could even argue for public subsidy to provide some public good. Or you could just be a little less hypocritical and say that we are a normal, run-of-the-mill leftish blog with possibly better production values.

Fony Blair – “last time I looked we were a democracy where the majority rules” Funny that. Last time I looked, we were a two, possibly three, party state where the ruling class rules. Are we in the same country?

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Fony Blair:

you write: “Any Muslim who wants to turn this country into a Muslim state can as Rod Liddle so eloquently puts it, “f*ck off back to where they came from”.
I don’t think they are a particularly numerous group – so I wouldn’t loose any sleep over it.
Maybe try and stop reading The Mail & Express etc and you will feel a bit calmer and have a clearer perspective on things.

Liz – I read all media which is how I find myself reading some of these bizarre Left Wing “evidence based” blogs!!

From small acords aok trees grow. Some things need nipping in the bud and should not be ignored.

small acorns oak trees* (It’s getting late!!)

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@Balham Bugle – surely the blog is not ‘accusing’ Liddle of those things: it’s merely revealing that he is those things. You fail to offer any defence of the man whatsoever, probably because his own words say so much about him.

Tom – And in keeping with the moderators on this blog, again you ask for a defence of the man rather than commenting on the opinions he holds.

You display all the Gordon Brown / Derek Draper / Damian Mcbride “attack the man – never engage in his argument” traits people find so unpleasant about New Labour in this country.

I don’t care about Liddle – he’s not important but please Tom, tell me you surely don’t believe homosexuals should be publicly flogged then hanged for the way they were born? Is that not a more important point to debate here?

You surely don’t believe it is right to stone a woman to death for adultery or need the word of four male witnesses for a woman to prove rape?

Liddle speaks to normal decent people in this country whether you agree with his views or not.

Fortunately Tom, people who refuse to condemn that kind of disgraceful behaviour by a minority of religious nutters because the party they support need their minority votes are also in a minority.

Unless of course you go against all your instincts Tom and actually address the argument instead of running down the messenger….

Actually, Anon E Mouse, I believe Will provided the appropriate argument yesterday. The point isn’t that people who stone women to death for adultery aren’t savages, but rather that tarring all Muslims with the same brush is unfair. It’s comparable to referring to the Blackwater staff who killed 17 unarmed Iraqis as ‘Christian Mercenaries’. They may’ve been Christian, but I’m sure you wouldn’t wish to imply that all Christians are paid money to slaughter innocent people.

This issue is only going to get bigger. It’s seriously worrying that the Spectator would print such puerile bigotry.

Adam Bell – Which is why I said “disgraceful behaviour by a minority of religious nutters” with emphasis on the minority.

I don’t tar all Muslims with the same brush but unlike other people posting here I completely condemn that type of behaviour, no ifs or buts.

The system of democracy and freedom we have in this country, whilst obviously not as good as the one in America (I mean the monarchy and constitutions where the voters can get rid of useless administrations unlike Europe) is light years anything I see in Muslim countries.

Our system is better – simple as that.

I don’t want to celebrate any cultural diversity in Britain that results in woman being forced to cover head to foot in black robes in 2010 – that barbaric anti-woman attitude should be condemned at every step by all free thinking peoples. Hey Will Straws dad agrees with me…

Liddle may not put it in an elegant way but the sentiment is correct – if you want to try to force your medieval practices in our country just go away.

Liddle didn’t say ‘minority of religious nutters’, though, which is rather the point. He specifically stated that muslims should go back to their countries of origin, without any distinction made between Islam4UK and moderate muslims. I’m sure you’re not proposing that, to give a hypothecated example, the nice Mr Sharif who runs the shop down the road (who prays five times a day but has never dreamt of stoning adulterous women in his life) should be forcibly expelled from the country.

I’m quite happy to agree that anyone who forces women to cover themselves up is a barbarian. I’m quite happy to agree that anyone who believes homosexual people should be executed is a savage. What I’m not prepared to agree with is that anyone who happens to be a member of a nation or religion should be blamed for the actions of any other member of that nation or religion. Liddle is. That’s why it’s acceptable to label him as a bigot.

To be honest though, I suspect this whole Liddle story may be an effort to boost the Independent’s flagging circulation, as it’s been going down the tube for some time now.

Thanks for all your comments. Let me pick up on a couple of points. Balham Bugle, how would you describe Liddle’s comments if not racist or extreme? There’s no qualification to his remarks, he’s not even saying them in the heat of the moment – not that that would be any defence – he’s clearly thought about what he’s saying and is well aware of the overtones of what he’s said.

Anon, I don’t know any “normal decent people in this country” who would share the sentiments of the likes of Liddle and Nick Griffin. He’s using the language of the BNP, the old “f*** off back to where you’re from” language.

As for moderate Muslims and the Left not condemning barbarity, read again Maajid’s comments in the article. What Liddle and Griffin seek to do is tar all Muslims, and all Somalis with the same brush.

Adam Bell – Agreed, especially the last bit on flagging circulation.

Shamik – I also don’t know anyone who would share the views of the BNP but we both know there are an awful lot of people who do – ask anyone with a BNP councillor or MEP.

Perhaps if Labour MP’s had spent more time acting on behalf of the people they claim they represent rather than pandering to minorities in this country in a bid to win votes we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re currently in.

It is an ugly aspect to Labour’s time in office that their pathetic attempts to slur anyone as a racist who objected to the ways changes in populations were forced on them resulted in the election of the BNP in this country.

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Does anyone read people’s comment? For clarity, my comment questioned why a blog that claims to focus on policy and not individuals is running a story that focuses on individuals and not policy. I’m accusing LFF of not being true to its explicit stated goals.

The reason I’m not defending Liddle is that I have no interest in doing so. I don’t know the guy. I don’t read the Independent and whether Liddle is editor or not will make no difference to that; I’m happy with my current sources of news. I imagine those that are offended by Liddle find his writing offensive.

Tom – please look at the earlier (linked) story by Will Straw on this theme which did accuse him sexism, racism, etc.

that is not very nice what you guys are talking about muslim or what ever we all are human been end of the day fellas there is bad ppl every were u cant blame one for all …….. thank you all .carlos athani

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