Published by , February 11th 2010 at 1:08 pm
Mail cartoon portrays immigrants as animals
A new low, even for the Mail. As Sunny at Liberal Conspiracy says:
“Fucking disgusting, even by usual Daily Mail standards”
H/T: Liberal Conspiracy
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Whilst in today’s telegraph, Douglas Murray – director of Centre for Social Cohesion (what a joke) is encouraging people to post their favourite Irish jokes and they are not disappointing him. It is in relation to his outrage at a union rep taking offence at a joke some Tory councillor made and subsequently taking it to a tribunal. He could have made his point without sinking to these levels. Here is the link:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglasmurray/100025451/anyone-know-any-irishman-jokes/
Please. For goodness sake it’s a joke – get a sense of humour and stop being so serious. Lighten up…
Anon – I have heard this guy on the TV & Radio… he espouses a very insidious form of racism that is dressed up in a cloak of respectability. I think making his point is one thing but actively encouraging people to send in Irishmen jokes is a bit infantile and to be honest I thought we had moved on from that.
Anon
ps. I meant to add just because it is casual racism I don’t think it’s any more acceptable.
Liz – Stop it. I dislike Irish jokes but people should be free to tell them if they want.
This attempted control of humour is like trying to prevent peoples freedom until we live in a society where the thought police control our every action.
I’m not racist but I accept that there are people who are and as long as they don’t deliberately offend people with the views I don’t share I really don’t mind.
I do not want to live in a society where people like Nick Griffin are prevented from going on Question Time, even though he heads a perfectly legal political party and cartoons of some medieval religious character are used as the basis for carrying out acts of extreme violence.
Providing the cartoon here is not breaking any law, and it’s not and it’s funny, then I can’t see a problem with it.
The problem with the left at present is everything is sanitised like some sort of Disney like theme park and that is not what free speech is about.
And whoever “Sunny” is at “Liberal Conspiracy” he/she needs to lighten up, lose the bad language in public forums and get a life because if he/she really thinks this is “disgusting” the life he/she leads is very sheltered. (Or he/she hasn’t left school yet).
Either way if you want to start banning freedom of humour where will it end?
Anon – I agree it is low grade racism and not vitriolic but I do think it is one thing Irish people making jokes about themselves and others eg English men/women doing it.
As an Irish person yourself, you will be well aware of the troubled history and lack of confidence that Irish people living this side of the water (historically) had in being Irish – it’s only since the end of the Troubles etc that Irish people have been comfortable sounding & being Irish. Many will still remember the days when signs were up in boarding houses stating “No blacks no dogs, no Irish”. Thank God those days are gone.
Anti-Irish racism is the same as any other form of racism and should not be tolerated or encouraged.
I do have a sense of humour believe it or not but I think Douglas Murray has over stepped the mark (as he is prone to do.)
Liz – Half Irish – mothers side!
I always saw Irish jokes as being slightly anti English and never liked them and yes I’m glad those days are gone.
I would say though that a lot of it has gone underground onto txt messages – some of the ones I receive (and everyone moderates the ones I get sent) are frankly disgraceful.
A lot are Homophobic and racist but hey as long as no law is broken so what do I care.
Anon – sorry i misunderstood you re your irish ethnicity.
Fine if you don’t care but the thing quite a lot of people DO care!
Liz – Mother an Irish Catholic, Father an English bible reading Atheist – his Father a lapsed Catholic and mega socialist… well a Labour councillor anyway.
Myself? Agnostic I guess… and now a floating voter.
Do you live on this blog btw? You always answer so quickly – let me guess you’re on the bus again…
Yes was on the bus and i try to get my rebuttals in quickly!! Have a good eve!
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more sensationalist bullshit…. its a cartoon.
understand it, or get over it.
Raven – it may be a cartoon but it does genuinely offend some people and as we know the Mail does not have a good record on this – what was their headline in the 1930s…….?
Over on the Douglas Murray’s DT blog, the subject of jokes now includes Pakistanis – I suppose it was only a matter of time…. thin end of the wedge…..
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Liz – People are being nice here. I know you love LFF as much as I do but this is just a cartoon! It really isn’t important.
Head over here to see Shamik saying a woman should not print a story because of her husbands actions… how do you feel about this!
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/revealed-hidden-agenda-behind-express-attack-on-housing-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-5789
How odd that someone who doesn’t believe the above cartoon to be racist starts throwing about accusations of sexism. Wrong on both counts I’m afraid. If you weren’t so hell bent on defending the Mail, Express and Tories and attacking Labour you might be able to see that.
#dailymail sinks to new all time low… portraying illegal immigrants as animals…. http://bit.ly/9gfgPb
Shamik – Where did I say the above cartoon wasn’t racist?
Why don’t you read what I’ve said and do your “attack dog” thing on that rather than what you think I’ve said.
And I was voting Labour since before you were born…
Anon E Mouse says:
February 11, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Please. For goodness sake it’s a joke – get a sense of humour and stop being so serious. Lighten up…
Anon E Mouse says:
February 11, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Providing the cartoon here is not breaking any law, and it’s not and it’s funny, then I can’t see a problem with it.
Do you find it funny? Yes. Do you believe it’s racist? Your last post seems to imply yes.
So you find a racist cartoon funny.
http://bit.ly/9gfgPb wow. daily mail apparently compares interracial marriage to bestiality. still fighting that fight I guess /via @ersws
RT @RobinEmm: http://bit.ly/9gfgPb wow. daily mail apparently compares interracial marriage to bestiality. still fighting that fight I guess /via @ersws
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Shamik – Please. For goodness sake it’s a joke – get a sense of humour and stop being so serious. Lighten up…
Shamik – You have done the typical control freak act of making a claim that you have no way of knowing if it’s true: “Your last post seems to imply yes” and then continued to condemn me by claiming that I find a racist cartoon funny. You practically called me a racist Shamik which I most certainly am not. You are out of order Shamik Das but I am certain now I have clarified my position you’ll immediately apologise to me in this forum for your slur.
And people do find it funny – it’s called a cartoon Shamik.
It is people with closed minds like yourself and this “Sunny”, (whoever he/she is) that believes that this is racist. Which race is being offended Shamik – the Welsh? Who else could you mean?
It that because it’s a sheep Shamik or do you now want to support a sheep’s rights to be a sheep? This is mad!
I can understand that you are struggling with rigorous debate considering your journalist background Shamik but I am not rude to you so please do not make factually inaccurate claims about me in a public forum.
And Will Straw – if you do have future ambitions in a public arena you really need to get a grip of this blog because your partner is now practically accusing me of racism, which considering my situation is as stupid as people calling Boris Johnson a racist when he is married to an Indian.
Choose your friends carefully Will…
Shamik – And btw since the sheep is an indigenous animal in these islands on what basis do state the sheep is an immigrant? Where does it state it is an immigrant Shamik? Why would anyone assume it was?
What Labour Party supporters do in the blogosphere is their business – it’s a free country – but they should think long and hard about the types of articles they allow to be printed and the types of message they wish to portray.
And I repeat again, these types of postings could be used in the future where time that should be spent forwarding a message may be wasted trying to justify unjustifiable postings.
Let me just take you back to this comment:
Anon E Mouse says:
February 15, 2010 at 9:07 am
Shamik – Where did I say the above cartoon wasn’t racist?
Does this mean you think it is racist?
Or not?
To help you make up your mind, read Sunny’s post for an explanation of why it’s racist. It’s not a question of whether or not the sheep is an immigrant, it’s the equating of immigrants with animals that is offensive. Look at the caption.