Comments on: Sunday Times publish pseudo-science as it were fact – their “scientists” have links to big oil http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/ Left Foot Forward is a political blog for progressives. We provide evidence-based analysis on British politics, news and policy developments. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Lawson still won't come clean about sceptic foundation's funding | Left Foot Forward http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-34409 Lawson still won't come clean about sceptic foundation's funding | Left Foot Forward Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:35:26 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-34409 [...] is not, of course, to forget one of the most ominous figures at GWPF, Dr Benny Peiser, notorious for his ties to institutions in the US such as the Heartland Institute which have, over the years, [...] [...] is not, of course, to forget one of the most ominous figures at GWPF, Dr Benny Peiser, notorious for his ties to institutions in the US such as the Heartland Institute which have, over the years, [...]

]]> By: Oxford Kevin http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6263 Oxford Kevin Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:52:52 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6263 Hi Mr Mouse, I think I might have tracked down the data you were looking for, but perhaps not. Anyway I have written a blog piece that you can view with my thoughts on what I think it means. http://oxfordkevin.carbonclimate.org/?p=176 Hi Mr Mouse, I think I might have tracked down the data you were looking for, but perhaps not. Anyway I have written a blog piece that you can view with my thoughts on what I think it means.

http://oxfordkevin.carbonclimate.org/?p=176

]]> By: Sunday Times promotes climate denier » Climate Safety http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6262 Sunday Times promotes climate denier » Climate Safety Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:20:35 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6262 [...] Foot Forward has some of the relevant background to Watts’ report, which he co-authored with another well-known climate change denier, Joseph [...] [...] Foot Forward has some of the relevant background to Watts’ report, which he co-authored with another well-known climate change denier, Joseph [...]

]]> By: Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward | Left Foot Forward http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6257 Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward | Left Foot Forward Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:18:44 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6257 [...] Sunday Times, who last Sunday published pseudo-science as fact, claiming the “world may not be warming”. As if that [...] [...] Sunday Times, who last Sunday published pseudo-science as fact, claiming the “world may not be warming”. As if that [...]

]]> By: Anon E Mouse http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6223 Anon E Mouse Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:12:57 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6223 Kevin - The basis for my claims are obviously on items I have read elsewhere, since like yourself I am not directly involved in the analysing of data in this field so you may believe one thing and I may believe another. You may say that "So and so is wrong" (I mention this as I read Leake in papers regularly) but I would make any statement or post in bad faith... Also it is you who is trying to forward a minority view that (man made) CO2 causes global warming. As I have always stated I just don't know but I agree the climate is/always has changed and your data sets only go back to the 1800's. However I will at this point say that I am actually unable to find a graph or data that shows the MWP was hotter but I will continue to look. That statement about vineyards in the MWP is actually a given but seems not to (at present)be supported by any facts (I can currently find). I don't say anything without a basis for comment and I could point you to several websites where that claim is made but I have to (presently) admit that where they got their data from to make those claims I do not know. But I will find it Kevin so just hang in there. I do not accept your case but (as it stands as I make this post) I have to concede that (perhaps) it wasn't warmer in the MWP... Perhaps... Kevin – The basis for my claims are obviously on items I have read elsewhere, since like yourself I am not directly involved in the analysing of data in this field so you may believe one thing and I may believe another.

You may say that “So and so is wrong” (I mention this as I read Leake in papers regularly) but I would make any statement or post in bad faith…

Also it is you who is trying to forward a minority view that (man made) CO2 causes global warming. As I have always stated I just don’t know but I agree the climate is/always has changed and your data sets only go back to the 1800′s.

However I will at this point say that I am actually unable to find a graph or data that shows the MWP was hotter but I will continue to look.

That statement about vineyards in the MWP is actually a given but seems not to (at present)be supported by any facts (I can currently find).

I don’t say anything without a basis for comment and I could point you to several websites where that claim is made but I have to (presently) admit that where they got their data from to make those claims I do not know.

But I will find it Kevin so just hang in there.

I do not accept your case but (as it stands as I make this post) I have to concede that (perhaps) it wasn’t warmer in the MWP…

Perhaps…

]]> By: Oxford Kevin http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6184 Oxford Kevin Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:25:30 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6184 We can grow grapes today. The plot in wikipedia article you referred to definitely showed that in the Northern Hemisphere it is warmer today than during the MWP, yet you have stated it was far hotter during the MWP than today. I just want to see the basis for your claim as you said you don't say anything without a basis. Kevin We can grow grapes today. The plot in wikipedia article you referred to definitely showed that in the Northern Hemisphere it is warmer today than during the MWP, yet you have stated it was far hotter during the MWP than today. I just want to see the basis for your claim as you said you don’t say anything without a basis.

Kevin

]]> By: Anon E Mouse http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6183 Anon E Mouse Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:16:56 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6183 Kevin - (With respect to you) I am actually busy at the moment and digging out the computer is going to be a hassle! It wasn't the CRU emails I was going to mail - just some ice core data that I have for you to agree were correct (or not agree of course). As for the MWP, since we don't have thermometer based temperatures how can I prove to you that it was hotter? Why do you think it wasn't? How could one grow grapes in a colder climate? Kevin – (With respect to you) I am actually busy at the moment and digging out the computer is going to be a hassle!

It wasn’t the CRU emails I was going to mail – just some ice core data that I have for you to agree were correct (or not agree of course).

As for the MWP, since we don’t have thermometer based temperatures how can I prove to you that it was hotter?

Why do you think it wasn’t? How could one grow grapes in a colder climate?

]]> By: Oxford Kevin http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6180 Oxford Kevin Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:26:43 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6180 Jonathan Leake wouldn't be interested in my comments, I am not important enough for him to worry about. I was just referring to his ability to misrepresent what people say. I'm not sure if you should bother spending your time looking into the CRU e-mails. It has taken so long to not even get evidence that I am still waiting as to whether or not the MWP was far hotter than today or not. Jonathan Leake wouldn’t be interested in my comments, I am not important enough for him to worry about. I was just referring to his ability to misrepresent what people say.

I’m not sure if you should bother spending your time looking into the CRU e-mails. It has taken so long to not even get evidence that I am still waiting as to whether or not the MWP was far hotter than today or not.

]]> By: Anon E Mouse http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6164 Anon E Mouse Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:05:51 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6164 Kevin - Generally I tend to go on cock up rather than conspiracy but this weekend I'll grab a couple of beers, dig out the some files I have regarding the CRU and see what you think... I am genuinely pressed at work and not deliberately not responding: please do not assume that I do not have a response by any lack of one. Why would Johnathan Leake be interested in your comments particularly btw? (Oh and I don't get hung up on little things like the structure of a sentence being incorrectly put - I'm not that petty) Kevin – Generally I tend to go on cock up rather than conspiracy but this weekend I’ll grab a couple of beers, dig out the some files I have regarding the CRU and see what you think…

I am genuinely pressed at work and not deliberately not responding: please do not assume that I do not have a response by any lack of one.

Why would Johnathan Leake be interested in your comments particularly btw?

(Oh and I don’t get hung up on little things like the structure of a sentence being incorrectly put – I’m not that petty)

]]> By: Oxford Kevin http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/sunday-times-publish-pseudo-science-as-it-were-fact-their-scientists-have-links-to-big-oil/comment-page-2/#comment-6146 Oxford Kevin Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:58:56 +0000 http://www.leftfootforward.org/?p=8146#comment-6146 A correction. Where I said "I never said the MWP existed anywhere", I meant to say. "I have never said anywhere that the MWP never existed" I imagine if Johnathan Leake was reading this mistake of mine he would be claiming global warming alarmist says that the MWP never existed. I must be more careful with my words. Kevin A correction. Where I said “I never said the MWP existed anywhere”, I meant to say.

“I have never said anywhere that the MWP never existed”

I imagine if Johnathan Leake was reading this mistake of mine he would be claiming global warming alarmist says that the MWP never existed. I must be more careful with my words.

Kevin

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