Comments on: Tower Block of Commons plays into the hands of those crying Broken Britain

By: Seun Kolade

Seun Kolade — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:32:20 +0000

This is a very good summary of the debate. I think it’s quite clear that the sources and causes of the problem are multi-faceted, and whereas I am personally inclined to put the bulk of the blame on the media, I think it the point about some Charity’s mode of operation, especially with respect to the presentation and disclosure of information about low-income people, is quite strong. Finally, and this apply both to charities and the media, I think the description of people as ‘low-income’, rather than ‘poor’, is more suitable in the effort and need to preserve individual dignity. ‘Poor’ seem to carry with it a connotation of pathetic, and perhaps permanent, helplessnes. As Amartya Sen noted, ‘a system of support that requires people to be identified as poor would tend to have some effects on one’s self-respect as well as on respect by others’

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By: Bill Kristol-Balls

Bill Kristol-Balls — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:34:02 +0000

@ John

Your statement that ‘they all deserve it – the thieving bastards’ is not compatible with the idea of justice which is based on the principle of treating people fairly.

Not all MP’s acted improperly and so to label them all as ‘thieving bastards’ would in fact be the very definition of injustice.

You seem happy with the idea of ochlocracy though. Are you perchance a pitchfork salesman?

By: John

John — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:30:59 +0000

I actually watched this last night and there were some key points to be gleaned from it (but taken with a pinch of salt naturally)

First I realised that politicans are so out of touch with what ‘poor’ means in this country.

Second I realised that politicans are effectively ‘useless human beings’ once you take away their phones, Ipod’s, Blackberries and staff.

I also realised that people living on the bread line are actually trying to end it. A clip from next week shows one lady who went to Asda spent £45 on fags after the MP helped her stay within her food budget.
Many people will point to this and say “there, they don’t help themselves” – but I see it as a clear sign that this person no longer has any respect for her own life as her addiction shows. Death is an appealing alternative to a life of poverty.

The best bits were the angry public who shouted rude things at the politicans – mainly because of their expense claims – which made one of the MP’s cry.

My heart bled for about 10 seconds and then I realised that they all deserve it – the thieving bastards. Didn’t think about that when you greedily claimed for your duck / moat / belfery did you?

Seeing justice done is rewarding, seeing it done in an angry and aggressive manner is all the more rewarding.

My biggest wonder was whether the party whips ‘forced’ this task on these unwitting MP’s in an effort to restore the damage done.

By: Anne O'Nimmus

Anne O'Nimmus — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:27:09 +0000

“tiny majority”?

By: Mark

Mark — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:09:32 +0000

It’s a Channel 4 TV show, not a piece of social research. Thanks to editing it’s probably up their with “Shameless” and “Rab C Nesbitt” when it comes to displaying the daily reality of the forgotten class.

By: Evan Price

Evan Price — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:07:16 +0000

The portrayal of the poor has been mixed throughout the time of mass media – remember the ‘underserving poor’ and the ‘deserving poor’.

In my view, the real problem with the media is its startling lack of knowledge and expertise. Whenever I read a report about something that I know about, I deride the oversimplification and ignorance displayed – but for some reason I don’t quite understand, I still believe the reports in areas that I have no knowledge of …

By: hmmm

hmmm — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:06:27 +0000

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the programme, Austin Mitchell is a complete disgrace.

By: Bill Kristol-Balls

Bill Kristol-Balls — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:02:18 +0000

It’s a disgrace that it takes a TV program to get certain MP’s to “understand” what life is like for the people they serve, regardless of how accurate or otherwise it actually was.

Didn’t Portillo do this sort of thing years ago? Also Matthew Parris in the early 80′s if memory serves me right. Certainly Polly Toynbee did something similar in Hard Work.

Sanctimonius and unoriginal. Glad I watched Hustle instead.

By: Andrew Regan

Andrew Regan — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:59:09 +0000

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