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	<title>Comments on: Charlie Whelan: I won&#8217;t hide from Pickles&#8217; trade union witch-hunt</title>
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		<title>By: Confused of Croydon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused of Croydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the strike bankrupt BA?  Well, no-one seems to have disputed that they pay their cabin crew twice as much as Virgin pay theirs (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6466748.ece).  I am assuming that the main reason for this is that BA, as an ex-nationalised industry, is unionised while Virgin is not.

That, to me, raises the question of whether the gains that Trade Unions have obtained for workers are really sustainable in the long term, or whether the extra labour costs will simply put those firms out of business and lead to a &quot;race to the bottom&quot; as everyone else cuts costs to the bone.  

Isn&#039;t this the &quot;immiseration of the proletariat&quot; that Marxists go on about, and if so what can be done about it?  

It seems to me that a similar argument applies to public sector workers who, although their employers are not subject to direct competition, are constantly told that the benefits that their unions have won for them are &quot;unaffordable&quot; and need to be cut back (which is why PCS are striking on Wednesday against cuts to the Civil Service redundancy package).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the strike bankrupt BA?  Well, no-one seems to have disputed that they pay their cabin crew twice as much as Virgin pay theirs (<a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6466748.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6466748.ece</a>).  I am assuming that the main reason for this is that BA, as an ex-nationalised industry, is unionised while Virgin is not.</p>
<p>That, to me, raises the question of whether the gains that Trade Unions have obtained for workers are really sustainable in the long term, or whether the extra labour costs will simply put those firms out of business and lead to a &#8220;race to the bottom&#8221; as everyone else cuts costs to the bone.  </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this the &#8220;immiseration of the proletariat&#8221; that Marxists go on about, and if so what can be done about it?  </p>
<p>It seems to me that a similar argument applies to public sector workers who, although their employers are not subject to direct competition, are constantly told that the benefits that their unions have won for them are &#8220;unaffordable&#8221; and need to be cut back (which is why PCS are striking on Wednesday against cuts to the Civil Service redundancy package).</p>
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		<title>By: Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/charlie-whelan-i-wont-hide-from-pickles-trade-union-witch-hunt/comment-page-1/#comment-11343</link>
		<dc:creator>Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] political director Charlie Whelan as a &#8220;witch hunt&#8221; against the trade unions. In an exclusive interview with Left Foot Forward, Whelan [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] political director Charlie Whelan as a &#8220;witch hunt&#8221; against the trade unions. In an exclusive interview with Left Foot Forward, Whelan [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Colm Howard-Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colm Howard-Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Accusing @Ericpickles of &quot;witch hunt&quot; on Left Foot Forward (http://ow.ly/1nII1) is suspicious if rumours blog is funded by Unite are true!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Accusing @Ericpickles of &quot;witch hunt&quot; on Left Foot Forward (<a href="http://ow.ly/1nII1" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/1nII1</a>) is suspicious if rumours blog is funded by Unite are true!</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Crusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way to solve this crisis is for Whelen to croak it please do so and as quickly as possible 
there I was ever so polite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to solve this crisis is for Whelen to croak it please do so and as quickly as possible<br />
there I was ever so polite</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Blofeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Blofeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

Fair play.  You are actually putting some decent questions to him:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;WS: Some people are saying that the industrial action could destroy British Airways. Do you agree?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Shame you let him get away with a bollox answer to your question though.  After reading the answer to your question  I couldn&#039;t make it any further, because I assume it will be just reams more bull-shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>Fair play.  You are actually putting some decent questions to him:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;WS: Some people are saying that the industrial action could destroy British Airways. Do you agree?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Shame you let him get away with a bollox answer to your question though.  After reading the answer to your question  I couldn&#8217;t make it any further, because I assume it will be just reams more bull-shit.</p>
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		<title>By: paulstpancras</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulstpancras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Charlie Whelan: I won&#039;t hide from Pickles&#039; trade union witch-hunt &#124; Left Foot Forward http://bit.ly/bBbkuJ (via @twttimes)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Charlie Whelan: I won&#39;t hide from Pickles&#39; trade union witch-hunt | Left Foot Forward <a href="http://bit.ly/bBbkuJ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bBbkuJ</a> (via @twttimes)</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Awesome. RT @leftfootfwd: Exclusive interview - Charlie Whelan: I won&#039;t hide from Pickles&#039; trade union witch-hunt http://cli.gs/H7ABE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Awesome. RT @leftfootfwd: Exclusive interview &#8211; Charlie Whelan: I won&#39;t hide from Pickles&#39; trade union witch-hunt <a href="http://cli.gs/H7ABE" rel="nofollow">http://cli.gs/H7ABE</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Alon Or-bach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Or-bach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd: Exclusive interview - Charlie Whelan: I won&#039;t hide from Pickles&#039; trade union witch-hunt http://cli.gs/H7ABE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd: Exclusive interview &#8211; Charlie Whelan: I won&#39;t hide from Pickles&#39; trade union witch-hunt <a href="http://cli.gs/H7ABE" rel="nofollow">http://cli.gs/H7ABE</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Adam White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd: Exclusive interview - Charlie Whelan: I won&#039;t hide from Pickles&#039; trade union witch-hunt http://cli.gs/H7ABE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd: Exclusive interview &#8211; Charlie Whelan: I won&#39;t hide from Pickles&#39; trade union witch-hunt <a href="http://cli.gs/H7ABE" rel="nofollow">http://cli.gs/H7ABE</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Tankthetories</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tankthetories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it was getlabourout who made that fatuous remark. They are both like the spoof message board idiots in Private Eye. Getlabourout is brown_out without the humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it was getlabourout who made that fatuous remark. They are both like the spoof message board idiots in Private Eye. Getlabourout is brown_out without the humour.</p>
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