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		<title>By: Teflon Teather dodges the key question about Sure Start &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teflon Teather dodges the key question about Sure Start &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tracey Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/defending-sure-start-against-vicious-right-wing-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-16746</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work very hard with all my work colleagues and alongside other early years professionals within a Sure Start childrens centre. We provide quality early years provision and care for all children and their families. Throughout all childrens centres parents are offered extensive support in a vast variety of areas in order to empower them to improve their childrens and their own quality of life and improve life chances. All that we do is to ensure that we are meeting the governments Five Every Child Matters Outcomes of: Staying Safe, Being Healthy, Enjoy and Achieve, Make a Positive Contribution and Enjoy Economic Well-Being for all children. So before any of you attack the Sure Start childrens centres PLEASE consider ALL the fantastic work that we do and the vast improvements that we make to children and their famiies lives. Also PLEASE consider where would the families go and who would they turn to when trying to escape domestic violence? Or when a parent/carer has approached breaking point and is angry and frustrated with their child? There are many more issues a parent could be facing; for these families our childrens centres are their only escape, they trust us and turn to us for help!! Before all you &quot;so called know it alls&quot; throw at us UNTRUE and FALSE allegations that we do not make a difference to children and their families lives. WHY dont you all ask the people that matter; ask the families if they think we make a difference and just maybe then you may understand the importance of all we do within a childrens centre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work very hard with all my work colleagues and alongside other early years professionals within a Sure Start childrens centre. We provide quality early years provision and care for all children and their families. Throughout all childrens centres parents are offered extensive support in a vast variety of areas in order to empower them to improve their childrens and their own quality of life and improve life chances. All that we do is to ensure that we are meeting the governments Five Every Child Matters Outcomes of: Staying Safe, Being Healthy, Enjoy and Achieve, Make a Positive Contribution and Enjoy Economic Well-Being for all children. So before any of you attack the Sure Start childrens centres PLEASE consider ALL the fantastic work that we do and the vast improvements that we make to children and their famiies lives. Also PLEASE consider where would the families go and who would they turn to when trying to escape domestic violence? Or when a parent/carer has approached breaking point and is angry and frustrated with their child? There are many more issues a parent could be facing; for these families our childrens centres are their only escape, they trust us and turn to us for help!! Before all you &#8220;so called know it alls&#8221; throw at us UNTRUE and FALSE allegations that we do not make a difference to children and their families lives. WHY dont you all ask the people that matter; ask the families if they think we make a difference and just maybe then you may understand the importance of all we do within a childrens centre.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/defending-sure-start-against-vicious-right-wing-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-15135</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@Life_learner Interesting article outlining substantial benefits of Sure Start Centres http://bit.ly/d8uaq7 @Life_learner&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@Life_learner Interesting article outlining substantial benefits of Sure Start Centres <a href="http://bit.ly/d8uaq7" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/d8uaq7</a> @Life_learner</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/defending-sure-start-against-vicious-right-wing-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-15134</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@Life_learner Interesting article outlining substantial benefits of Sure Start Centres http://bit.ly/d8uaq7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@Life_learner Interesting article outlining substantial benefits of Sure Start Centres <a href="http://bit.ly/d8uaq7" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/d8uaq7</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Majority of mothers support Sure Start &#38; warn against cuts &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Majority of mothers support Sure Start &#38; warn against cuts &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Liz McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/defending-sure-start-against-vicious-right-wing-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-11256</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greychatter - if cameron and his cronies had been in charge of the economy over the last 18 months then you would really know what a titanic type disaster that would have been - even people in the City are scared of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greychatter &#8211; if cameron and his cronies had been in charge of the economy over the last 18 months then you would really know what a titanic type disaster that would have been &#8211; even people in the City are scared of them!</p>
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		<title>By: John Slinger</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/defending-sure-start-against-vicious-right-wing-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-11230</link>
		<dc:creator>John Slinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my view, David Cameron is committed to SureStart in the same way as he&#039;s committed to the NHS -i.e. largely for reasons of political expediency.  He knows it is electoral suicide to question the best example of socialism in action that this country has ever devised.  If you want to see what right wing politics is all about, take a look at the Tea Party Movement in the States and their rabid attacks on President Obama&#039;s attempts to make the American healthcare system just slightly more humane.  

Never believe the Tory propaganda.  There is a reason why it was Labour which set up the NHS...namely, we believe in state action in order to counter the appalling effects of the untamed market on ordinary and poor people if everyone is left to fend for themselves.  The Tories opposed virtually every piece of reforming legislation during the last century.  

Are Tories really committed to making Britain the most family-friendly country in Europe as Oliver Letwin is reported to have said?  Give me a break.  They opposed all the measures Labour brought in to extend maternity pay and benefits, extend paternity rights, give people the right to request flexible working, etc.  At the time they argued that business simply couldn&#039;t afford to make working life more compatible with family life.  Funny how they&#039;ve changed their tune now that mumsnet is on the scene.  It&#039;s pathetic and laughable and it would be funny were it not so vitally important that schemes like SureStart, state-run, yes, I repeat, state-run, taxpayer-financed schemes are not axed.  

We only need to tweak these Tories a little more and the sheep&#039;s clothing will fall off.  My prediction - between now and the election, the mainstream Tory party will not be able to resist forcing the leadership to show their true blue colours. Matthew Parris&#039;s column in The Times shows just what a challenge these NuTories are facing - http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/how-wrong-can-an-interview-go/218220525/?icid=VIDURVHOV02. So get ready for demands for cuts to public services, talk of privatising the NHS, anti-EU rhetoric, pro-business anti-family measures, and all the rest of it.  Perfect fodder for our election campaign as people realise that it is only Labour who can be trusted to stand up for ordinary people, in ordinary jobs, on ordinary incomes, living in ordinary houses.  

And for all the Tories reading this - I go to a Dad&#039;s club on Saturday mornings at the local state-run Children&#039;s Centre.  It&#039;s superb.  And the other dads who are there will no doubt support the party committed to maintaining the service not cutting it.   Elections are about more than airbrushed posters and focus groups.  They are about ordinary people&#039;s experience of life and their view as to which party has the interests of wider society most at heart.  That is certainly not the multi-millionaire Tory shadow cabinet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my view, David Cameron is committed to SureStart in the same way as he&#8217;s committed to the NHS -i.e. largely for reasons of political expediency.  He knows it is electoral suicide to question the best example of socialism in action that this country has ever devised.  If you want to see what right wing politics is all about, take a look at the Tea Party Movement in the States and their rabid attacks on President Obama&#8217;s attempts to make the American healthcare system just slightly more humane.  </p>
<p>Never believe the Tory propaganda.  There is a reason why it was Labour which set up the NHS&#8230;namely, we believe in state action in order to counter the appalling effects of the untamed market on ordinary and poor people if everyone is left to fend for themselves.  The Tories opposed virtually every piece of reforming legislation during the last century.  </p>
<p>Are Tories really committed to making Britain the most family-friendly country in Europe as Oliver Letwin is reported to have said?  Give me a break.  They opposed all the measures Labour brought in to extend maternity pay and benefits, extend paternity rights, give people the right to request flexible working, etc.  At the time they argued that business simply couldn&#8217;t afford to make working life more compatible with family life.  Funny how they&#8217;ve changed their tune now that mumsnet is on the scene.  It&#8217;s pathetic and laughable and it would be funny were it not so vitally important that schemes like SureStart, state-run, yes, I repeat, state-run, taxpayer-financed schemes are not axed.  </p>
<p>We only need to tweak these Tories a little more and the sheep&#8217;s clothing will fall off.  My prediction &#8211; between now and the election, the mainstream Tory party will not be able to resist forcing the leadership to show their true blue colours. Matthew Parris&#8217;s column in The Times shows just what a challenge these NuTories are facing &#8211; <a href="http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/how-wrong-can-an-interview-go/218220525/?icid=VIDURVHOV02" rel="nofollow">http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/how-wrong-can-an-interview-go/218220525/?icid=VIDURVHOV02</a>. So get ready for demands for cuts to public services, talk of privatising the NHS, anti-EU rhetoric, pro-business anti-family measures, and all the rest of it.  Perfect fodder for our election campaign as people realise that it is only Labour who can be trusted to stand up for ordinary people, in ordinary jobs, on ordinary incomes, living in ordinary houses.  </p>
<p>And for all the Tories reading this &#8211; I go to a Dad&#8217;s club on Saturday mornings at the local state-run Children&#8217;s Centre.  It&#8217;s superb.  And the other dads who are there will no doubt support the party committed to maintaining the service not cutting it.   Elections are about more than airbrushed posters and focus groups.  They are about ordinary people&#8217;s experience of life and their view as to which party has the interests of wider society most at heart.  That is certainly not the multi-millionaire Tory shadow cabinet.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna Thomas-Corr</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/defending-sure-start-against-vicious-right-wing-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-11161</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna Thomas-Corr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JoshC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoshC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OxfordSpring, who is lying to parents again? Who is taking quotes out of context? The TPA and the Mail both use the 2005 NESS report to back up their claims, despite that report quite clearly stating in its conclusions that the Sure Start programme at the time was simply too recent to be able to make any meaningful conclusions:

“The fact that SSLPs had been in existence for only three years when children / families were studied and perhaps not even entirely bedded down and therefore not fully developed, further cautions against drawing too strong conclusions from the first phase of the Impact Study designed to provide early insight into the effects that SSLPs might be having on children and families.” Early Impact of Sure Start Local Programmes on Children and Families, November 2005.

They use that report because the 2008 report, which supersedes the 2005 report, found clear evidence of improvements that could be attributed to the efforts of Sure Start. Why use an old defunct report? Because it ostensibly supports their claim of &#039;failure&#039;... at least if you ignore the context.

LFF does not take the quotes out of context as you claim. 

&quot;David Cameron is committed to the idea behind SureStart and those centres which serve that purpose. The online campaign, backed by the Labour party, is simple scaremongering.&quot;

Ask anyone working in a Sure Start if they agree with this and they&#039;d laugh in your face. I should know, I&#039;ve worked for Sure Start for 5 years in 4 of the most deprived areas in Britain as measured by the Indices of Multiple Deprivation (all in the Top 5%) and we&#039;ve all talked about the Tories poor understanding of Sure Start. 

For example, his pledge to raid the Sure Start outreach budget to fund &#039;Sure Start Health Visitors&#039;. Firstly, there are no such thing as Sure Start Health Visitors. The Health Visiting Service may often be based within Children&#039;s Centre and do work alongside Sure Start Workers occasionally but they do not do the same job as a Sure Start Outreach Worker or a Sure Start Family Support Worker. The hint is in their job title. They are solely interested in health related issues. They also tend not to have much contact with children over 12 months old which is a problem if they&#039;re supposed to do Outreach work for Sure Start who work with children up to 5 years old (and older now) and with their families.

They won&#039;t help isolated parents to become involved in their community and make friends. They won&#039;t work with families to overcome problem behaviour in their children or to find permanent housing or to flee to a women&#039;s refugee to escape domestic abuse. They won&#039;t encourage and help parents to access adult education to gain basic skills like the ability to read or do simple maths. Some of them would like to but I know they won&#039;t do these things because firstly they simply don&#039;t have the time to do them, secondly it isn’t part of their job description or what they were trained to do and thirdly they come to Sure Start Outreach Workers when they meet a family who needs this kind of support.

Most importantly though, they won&#039;t run the dozens of different groups that Sure Start Outreach Workers do. They won&#039;t run Baby Massage, Breastfeeding Cafe, Positive Parenting, Babysplash, Talking Toddlers, Music Makers, Women&#039;s Conversation Group, Dads Drop-in, Stay &amp; Play, the Cooking Groups for beginners or for parents and toddlers, the Parent&#039;s Voice group, the Holiday Activities during half-term or many other. These groups are all Outreach groups. These groups are the whole essence of Sure Start. They all improve the lives of the children and their parents in small (and not-so-small) but significant ways and all of them contribute to the Outcomes identified in the Every Child Matters framework.

David Cameron and his chums in the media would have us believe that Sure Start Outreach can be done by Health Visitors. That is a lie told to people who are ignorant about how Sure Start works. Cutting the budget for outreach (which is effectively what he will be doing) will kill Sure Start.

BTW, if it looks like I’m having a go at Health Visitors please believe me I’m not. They do a wonderful job under difficult circumstances. It’s just a totally different job than what Cameron seems to think it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OxfordSpring, who is lying to parents again? Who is taking quotes out of context? The TPA and the Mail both use the 2005 NESS report to back up their claims, despite that report quite clearly stating in its conclusions that the Sure Start programme at the time was simply too recent to be able to make any meaningful conclusions:</p>
<p>“The fact that SSLPs had been in existence for only three years when children / families were studied and perhaps not even entirely bedded down and therefore not fully developed, further cautions against drawing too strong conclusions from the first phase of the Impact Study designed to provide early insight into the effects that SSLPs might be having on children and families.” Early Impact of Sure Start Local Programmes on Children and Families, November 2005.</p>
<p>They use that report because the 2008 report, which supersedes the 2005 report, found clear evidence of improvements that could be attributed to the efforts of Sure Start. Why use an old defunct report? Because it ostensibly supports their claim of &#8216;failure&#8217;&#8230; at least if you ignore the context.</p>
<p>LFF does not take the quotes out of context as you claim. </p>
<p>&#8220;David Cameron is committed to the idea behind SureStart and those centres which serve that purpose. The online campaign, backed by the Labour party, is simple scaremongering.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ask anyone working in a Sure Start if they agree with this and they&#8217;d laugh in your face. I should know, I&#8217;ve worked for Sure Start for 5 years in 4 of the most deprived areas in Britain as measured by the Indices of Multiple Deprivation (all in the Top 5%) and we&#8217;ve all talked about the Tories poor understanding of Sure Start. </p>
<p>For example, his pledge to raid the Sure Start outreach budget to fund &#8216;Sure Start Health Visitors&#8217;. Firstly, there are no such thing as Sure Start Health Visitors. The Health Visiting Service may often be based within Children&#8217;s Centre and do work alongside Sure Start Workers occasionally but they do not do the same job as a Sure Start Outreach Worker or a Sure Start Family Support Worker. The hint is in their job title. They are solely interested in health related issues. They also tend not to have much contact with children over 12 months old which is a problem if they&#8217;re supposed to do Outreach work for Sure Start who work with children up to 5 years old (and older now) and with their families.</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t help isolated parents to become involved in their community and make friends. They won&#8217;t work with families to overcome problem behaviour in their children or to find permanent housing or to flee to a women&#8217;s refugee to escape domestic abuse. They won&#8217;t encourage and help parents to access adult education to gain basic skills like the ability to read or do simple maths. Some of them would like to but I know they won&#8217;t do these things because firstly they simply don&#8217;t have the time to do them, secondly it isn’t part of their job description or what they were trained to do and thirdly they come to Sure Start Outreach Workers when they meet a family who needs this kind of support.</p>
<p>Most importantly though, they won&#8217;t run the dozens of different groups that Sure Start Outreach Workers do. They won&#8217;t run Baby Massage, Breastfeeding Cafe, Positive Parenting, Babysplash, Talking Toddlers, Music Makers, Women&#8217;s Conversation Group, Dads Drop-in, Stay &amp; Play, the Cooking Groups for beginners or for parents and toddlers, the Parent&#8217;s Voice group, the Holiday Activities during half-term or many other. These groups are all Outreach groups. These groups are the whole essence of Sure Start. They all improve the lives of the children and their parents in small (and not-so-small) but significant ways and all of them contribute to the Outcomes identified in the Every Child Matters framework.</p>
<p>David Cameron and his chums in the media would have us believe that Sure Start Outreach can be done by Health Visitors. That is a lie told to people who are ignorant about how Sure Start works. Cutting the budget for outreach (which is effectively what he will be doing) will kill Sure Start.</p>
<p>BTW, if it looks like I’m having a go at Health Visitors please believe me I’m not. They do a wonderful job under difficult circumstances. It’s just a totally different job than what Cameron seems to think it is.</p>
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