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		<title>By: Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward &#124; Left Foot Forward</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-11344</link>
		<dc:creator>Look Left – The Week in Fast Forward &#124; Left Foot Forward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Left Foot Forward explained, the Treasury’s projections in the pre-Budget report show that the Government is set to reduce [...]</description>
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		<title>By: El Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10926</link>
		<dc:creator>El Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Sensible - it&#039;s fair from clear that it is possible to &quot;cut too soon&quot;, it&#039;s certainly not the view of a &quot;large majority&quot; of economists. A simple majority maybe, but you can find respectable economists calling for positions all across the spectrum. Which probably tells you that noone really knows for certain, we&#039;re in uncharted territory.

We do know for certain that this is not free money. Every extra £10bn we borrow in structural debt is a promise to take ~£500m out of the British economy every year for eternity - and by the end of this cycle we could be handing over £800m/year or more to the speculators in the bond market for every £10bn they choose to lend us. That loss of £500m/year reduces economic activity and takes jobs out of the economy, maybe 50,000 or so.

So whilst we are running a structural deficit, every £ of additional government spending will definitely cost us jobs in the long term.  So you must make sure that each extra £ is working hard for the long-term good of the economy, it&#039;s no good frittering it away on short term feel-goodness. If we still had headroom on the cyclical deficit then Keynsian make-work would be cost-effective, but we&#039;re way past that stage now. In other words - even now we still need to stick to the golden rule, only investment spending should be considered beyond the cyclical budget.

Also, not all government spending is equal.  By changing priorities towards economic growth, it would be possible to reduce total government spending yet increase government stimulation of the economy.  It&#039;s the latter that matters, not the level of spending per se.

In fact there&#039;s some well-researched cases of cutting government spending in itself stimulating the economy as private capital flows in as the government&#039;s credibility is enhanced. Look up &quot;negative fiscal multipliers&quot; - the government doesn&#039;t have to be the one supplying the cash to stimulate the economy.

On the MCA - AIUI the Tories aren&#039;t planning to introduce it whilst &quot;cutting so soon&quot;, they&#039;re talking about a £600m version for those with kids under 3, some time within the next parliament. By 2015 the economy will be booming right? In fact the government figures are relying on the economy growing by &gt;3%/year within 9 months. Which is just fantasy, and there&#039;s no point in the other parties trying to run numbers to try and match them. Hopefully the Budget will see more more plausible updated numbers. I&#039;ll remind you of &lt;a href=&quot;http://dizzythinks.net/2010/03/shock-news-eu-says-pope-is-definitely.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brown&#039;s past attempts at forecasting deficits&lt;/a&gt;. His original number for 2007 was just over £20bn, nearly half the outcome - and you can&#039;t blame any financial crisis for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Sensible &#8211; it&#8217;s fair from clear that it is possible to &#8220;cut too soon&#8221;, it&#8217;s certainly not the view of a &#8220;large majority&#8221; of economists. A simple majority maybe, but you can find respectable economists calling for positions all across the spectrum. Which probably tells you that noone really knows for certain, we&#8217;re in uncharted territory.</p>
<p>We do know for certain that this is not free money. Every extra £10bn we borrow in structural debt is a promise to take ~£500m out of the British economy every year for eternity &#8211; and by the end of this cycle we could be handing over £800m/year or more to the speculators in the bond market for every £10bn they choose to lend us. That loss of £500m/year reduces economic activity and takes jobs out of the economy, maybe 50,000 or so.</p>
<p>So whilst we are running a structural deficit, every £ of additional government spending will definitely cost us jobs in the long term.  So you must make sure that each extra £ is working hard for the long-term good of the economy, it&#8217;s no good frittering it away on short term feel-goodness. If we still had headroom on the cyclical deficit then Keynsian make-work would be cost-effective, but we&#8217;re way past that stage now. In other words &#8211; even now we still need to stick to the golden rule, only investment spending should be considered beyond the cyclical budget.</p>
<p>Also, not all government spending is equal.  By changing priorities towards economic growth, it would be possible to reduce total government spending yet increase government stimulation of the economy.  It&#8217;s the latter that matters, not the level of spending per se.</p>
<p>In fact there&#8217;s some well-researched cases of cutting government spending in itself stimulating the economy as private capital flows in as the government&#8217;s credibility is enhanced. Look up &#8220;negative fiscal multipliers&#8221; &#8211; the government doesn&#8217;t have to be the one supplying the cash to stimulate the economy.</p>
<p>On the MCA &#8211; AIUI the Tories aren&#8217;t planning to introduce it whilst &#8220;cutting so soon&#8221;, they&#8217;re talking about a £600m version for those with kids under 3, some time within the next parliament. By 2015 the economy will be booming right? In fact the government figures are relying on the economy growing by &gt;3%/year within 9 months. Which is just fantasy, and there&#8217;s no point in the other parties trying to run numbers to try and match them. Hopefully the Budget will see more more plausible updated numbers. I&#8217;ll remind you of <a href="http://dizzythinks.net/2010/03/shock-news-eu-says-pope-is-definitely.html" rel="nofollow">Brown&#8217;s past attempts at forecasting deficits</a>. His original number for 2007 was just over £20bn, nearly half the outcome &#8211; and you can&#8217;t blame any financial crisis for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sensible</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10851</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sensible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At any rate, if we need to cut spending so soon, why are the Tories managing to find the money for their ridiculous married couples allowance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At any rate, if we need to cut spending so soon, why are the Tories managing to find the money for their ridiculous married couples allowance?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sensible</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10850</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sensible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, it remains the view of the large majority of economists that if you cut too soon you risk tipping the economy back in to recession. 

And if that happens you do not cut the defecit. 

What works better is to make sure the recovery is sustainable and then embark on a sensible program to cut the debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, it remains the view of the large majority of economists that if you cut too soon you risk tipping the economy back in to recession. </p>
<p>And if that happens you do not cut the defecit. </p>
<p>What works better is to make sure the recovery is sustainable and then embark on a sensible program to cut the debt.</p>
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		<title>By: George Eaton</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10840</link>
		<dc:creator>George Eaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts http://bit.ly/akzvHY&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts <a href="http://bit.ly/akzvHY" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/akzvHY</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Somerset</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10837</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve in Somerset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the policy of the EU that deficits should not exceed 3%.   Are you suggesting that Labour&#039;s love affair with the EU is over and we should not comply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the policy of the EU that deficits should not exceed 3%.   Are you suggesting that Labour&#8217;s love affair with the EU is over and we should not comply?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Darlington</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10808</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Darlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd: Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts http://bit.ly/akzvHY&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd: Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts <a href="http://bit.ly/akzvHY" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/akzvHY</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Shamik Das</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10806</link>
		<dc:creator>Shamik Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts http://bit.ly/akzvHY reports @wdjstraw on @leftfootfwd&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts <a href="http://bit.ly/akzvHY" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/akzvHY</a> reports @wdjstraw on @leftfootfwd</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: House Of Twits</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/ken-clarke-additional-30-billion-cuts/comment-page-1/#comment-10809</link>
		<dc:creator>House Of Twits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts http://bit.ly/akzvHY&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd Ken Clarke calls for an additional £30bn in public spending cuts <a href="http://bit.ly/akzvHY" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/akzvHY</a></span></span></span></p>
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