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	<title>Comments on: Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money</title>
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		<title>By: LibLink: Danny Alexander on the party&#8217;s tax policies</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/tax-policies-aren%e2%80%99t-just-about-who-gets-what-money/comment-page-1/#comment-12925</link>
		<dc:creator>LibLink: Danny Alexander on the party&#8217;s tax policies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attacking the party&#8217;s tax policies for not being progressive. That results in many responses around the place defending the party&#8217;s policy and today Left Foot Forward runs a piece from Danny [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] attacking the party&#8217;s tax policies for not being progressive. That results in many responses around the place defending the party&#8217;s policy and today Left Foot Forward runs a piece from Danny [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The low earner Liberal Democrats</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/tax-policies-aren%e2%80%99t-just-about-who-gets-what-money/comment-page-1/#comment-11932</link>
		<dc:creator>The low earner Liberal Democrats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As a result, Labour&#8217;s preference for tax-credits often makes for a sluggish and bureaucratic system which easily gets out of step with their personal situations &#8211; and when errors are made, people do not have the cushion of savings to see them through. That&#8217;s why taking people out of income tax brings about more than just the usually discussed benefits. As I wrote previously: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As a result, Labour&#8217;s preference for tax-credits often makes for a sluggish and bureaucratic system which easily gets out of step with their personal situations &#8211; and when errors are made, people do not have the cushion of savings to see them through. That&#8217;s why taking people out of income tax brings about more than just the usually discussed benefits. As I wrote previously: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Evidence based, Left Foot Forward? Only if you ignore the actual evidence</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/tax-policies-aren%e2%80%99t-just-about-who-gets-what-money/comment-page-1/#comment-10730</link>
		<dc:creator>Evidence based, Left Foot Forward? Only if you ignore the actual evidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money (Mark Pack &#124; Left Foot Forward) Among the millions who would be taken out of income tax all together with a £10,000 threshold are &#8230; People who will benefit from having the hassle of struggling with the tax system lifted from them. People who will benefit from not having to worry about how tax is under or over-paid if they move between jobs or different pieces of part-time work. People who will benefit from not struggling to make ends meet because, while there is a tax adjustment coming down the line, they aren’t getting the money in their bank account right now. People who just don’t have the financial resources and bureaucratic experience to see themselves through dealing with an at times complicated, unforgiving and slow moving tax system. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money (Mark Pack | Left Foot Forward) Among the millions who would be taken out of income tax all together with a £10,000 threshold are &#8230; People who will benefit from having the hassle of struggling with the tax system lifted from them. People who will benefit from not having to worry about how tax is under or over-paid if they move between jobs or different pieces of part-time work. People who will benefit from not struggling to make ends meet because, while there is a tax adjustment coming down the line, they aren’t getting the money in their bank account right now. People who just don’t have the financial resources and bureaucratic experience to see themselves through dealing with an at times complicated, unforgiving and slow moving tax system. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money &#124; Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/03/tax-policies-aren%e2%80%99t-just-about-who-gets-what-money/comment-page-1/#comment-10554</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money &#124; Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Media &amp; PR       Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money  Date: 13 March 2010 0 comments Tags: left foot forward, office of the public guardian, tax, will straw      During the week I did this guest post for Left Foot Forward: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Media &amp; PR       Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money  Date: 13 March 2010 0 comments Tags: left foot forward, office of the public guardian, tax, will straw      During the week I did this guest post for Left Foot Forward: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunder Katwala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunder Katwala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark makes some fair points. Ideas of &quot;fairness&quot; combines attitudes to need, to merit and to entitlement, and the Fabians have looked in depth at that.

But I think we can agree some terms, can&#039;t we? To be &quot;progressive&quot; tax changes need to do more in distributional terms for the relatively less well-off and are &quot;regressive&quot; if they do the opposite  primarily benefit the relatively affluent. And an important test of the overall approach of the progressive parties (Labour, LibDem, Green) and of any other parties aspiring/claiming to be progressive is that their changes make the tax system overall more progressive, rather than more regressive. 

These aren&#039;t the only considerations in making policy, but this matters - and it can be factually determined, analysed and referred by the IFS,ec. 

This is also one important fairness test of individual proposals from all of the parties. Eg, Labour&#039;s 10p tax abolition was regressive. the Tory inheritance tax proposal and the marriage tax break are clearly regressive in their distributional consequences. Other arguments of fairness or merit can be made for them, though the marriage change offends other fairness instincts in discriminating against widowers, and in favour of John Terry, etc. And clearly nobody can or will abolish VAT, but its regressive feature is worth bearing in mind in terms of whether it would be the right tax to raise, etc.

There may then be other considerations - such as those of convenience, stress, how it feels to be in one type of system rather than another (eg stigmatising/non-stigmatising issues around means-testing/universalism). These will be important, though can be less tangible and more contestable, and we can debate how far we would trade them off against distributional fairness. (EG, we have warned against a purely needs-based targetting which is too narrow, on grounds of stigma and non-sustainability over time, but that is to lock-in distributional fairness in the long-run).

But the distributional analysis of tax changes is not theoretical but surely central to a progressive analysis, though you might want to add other considerations to it. When John Kampfner and others argue the LibDems have the most redistributionist platform, he must surely mean that in this distributional sense. He can not be relying only on non-financial elements of the tax changes, without stretching or losing any meaning of what redistribution means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark makes some fair points. Ideas of &#8220;fairness&#8221; combines attitudes to need, to merit and to entitlement, and the Fabians have looked in depth at that.</p>
<p>But I think we can agree some terms, can&#8217;t we? To be &#8220;progressive&#8221; tax changes need to do more in distributional terms for the relatively less well-off and are &#8220;regressive&#8221; if they do the opposite  primarily benefit the relatively affluent. And an important test of the overall approach of the progressive parties (Labour, LibDem, Green) and of any other parties aspiring/claiming to be progressive is that their changes make the tax system overall more progressive, rather than more regressive. </p>
<p>These aren&#8217;t the only considerations in making policy, but this matters &#8211; and it can be factually determined, analysed and referred by the IFS,ec. </p>
<p>This is also one important fairness test of individual proposals from all of the parties. Eg, Labour&#8217;s 10p tax abolition was regressive. the Tory inheritance tax proposal and the marriage tax break are clearly regressive in their distributional consequences. Other arguments of fairness or merit can be made for them, though the marriage change offends other fairness instincts in discriminating against widowers, and in favour of John Terry, etc. And clearly nobody can or will abolish VAT, but its regressive feature is worth bearing in mind in terms of whether it would be the right tax to raise, etc.</p>
<p>There may then be other considerations &#8211; such as those of convenience, stress, how it feels to be in one type of system rather than another (eg stigmatising/non-stigmatising issues around means-testing/universalism). These will be important, though can be less tangible and more contestable, and we can debate how far we would trade them off against distributional fairness. (EG, we have warned against a purely needs-based targetting which is too narrow, on grounds of stigma and non-sustainability over time, but that is to lock-in distributional fairness in the long-run).</p>
<p>But the distributional analysis of tax changes is not theoretical but surely central to a progressive analysis, though you might want to add other considerations to it. When John Kampfner and others argue the LibDems have the most redistributionist platform, he must surely mean that in this distributional sense. He can not be relying only on non-financial elements of the tax changes, without stretching or losing any meaning of what redistribution means.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Guest post by me on Left Foot Forward: Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money http://bit.ly/dlv2Bf&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Guest post by me on Left Foot Forward: Tax policies aren’t just about who gets what money <a href="http://bit.ly/dlv2Bf" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dlv2Bf</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: topsy_top20k_en</title>
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		<dc:creator>topsy_top20k_en</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Tax policies aren&#039;t just about who gets what money. The Lib Dems&#039; policy has additional merits http://cli.gs/0e9XW&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Tax policies aren&#39;t just about who gets what money. The Lib Dems&#39; policy has additional merits <a href="http://cli.gs/0e9XW" rel="nofollow">http://cli.gs/0e9XW</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: House Of Twits</title>
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		<dc:creator>House Of Twits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd Tax policies aren&#039;t just about who gets what money. The Lib Dems&#039; policy has additional merits http://cli.gs/0e9XW&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd Tax policies aren&#39;t just about who gets what money. The Lib Dems&#39; policy has additional merits <a href="http://cli.gs/0e9XW" rel="nofollow">http://cli.gs/0e9XW</a></span></span></span></p>
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