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	<title>Comments on: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada</title>
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		<title>By: Why the ConDem&#8217;s prefer Canada for Sweden&#8230; &#171; My Political Ramblings</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30585</link>
		<dc:creator>Why the ConDem&#8217;s prefer Canada for Sweden&#8230; &#171; My Political Ramblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] People cannot be fooled into thinking that the Canadian model is the only way, nor that it is the best way. 40,000 public sector job cuts, immediately, well that is just disastrous. Furthermore, the so-called &#8216;Star Chamber&#8217; &#8211; well that has been criticised too(see Left Foot Forward for a really good article on this). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] People cannot be fooled into thinking that the Canadian model is the only way, nor that it is the best way. 40,000 public sector job cuts, immediately, well that is just disastrous. Furthermore, the so-called &#8216;Star Chamber&#8217; &#8211; well that has been criticised too(see Left Foot Forward for a really good article on this). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Bloke on Tour</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30391</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Bloke on Tour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EL

I think you have to be very careful about generalising the concept of a structural deficit to the current situation in the UK.

I feel that there has been a bit of shroud waving regarding the issue, the bigger issue to me is tax avoidance and the fact that the state seems always to be playing catch-up in determining the tax evasion / avoidance boundary as defined by our business friendly judiciary.

We are currently looking at 36/37% in tax take and 47/48% in spending which compares to the position going in to the Credit Crunch of 39% tax take and 42% spending. We need to aim to get back to that situation in the medium term not slash and burn when there is great uncertainty and the growing possibility of a double dip.

Regarding the specifics of the situation in 90&#039;s Canada, what about the low C$ policy and the boom in the Ontario auto industry. Chrysler did their bit with the LH model which came out in 93 but all the plants blossomed in the years to 2000.

Finally what was the position in the provinces?
Did they not have issues dealing with reduced Federal monies?
Also the quality of services was also under pressure even when the national government was running a surplus.

Consequently I feel that the lesson from Canada is only being pushed by the right wing dog boiling establishment as a fig leaf to cover their own tax cutting agenda.

They will cut spending when times are tough.
They will cut taxes when times are good.
They do not want to pay for the New Labour welfare state of 2008/09.
I fear we will soon look back on that period as some sort of golden age.

Unfortunately too few people realised what we had at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EL</p>
<p>I think you have to be very careful about generalising the concept of a structural deficit to the current situation in the UK.</p>
<p>I feel that there has been a bit of shroud waving regarding the issue, the bigger issue to me is tax avoidance and the fact that the state seems always to be playing catch-up in determining the tax evasion / avoidance boundary as defined by our business friendly judiciary.</p>
<p>We are currently looking at 36/37% in tax take and 47/48% in spending which compares to the position going in to the Credit Crunch of 39% tax take and 42% spending. We need to aim to get back to that situation in the medium term not slash and burn when there is great uncertainty and the growing possibility of a double dip.</p>
<p>Regarding the specifics of the situation in 90&#8242;s Canada, what about the low C$ policy and the boom in the Ontario auto industry. Chrysler did their bit with the LH model which came out in 93 but all the plants blossomed in the years to 2000.</p>
<p>Finally what was the position in the provinces?<br />
Did they not have issues dealing with reduced Federal monies?<br />
Also the quality of services was also under pressure even when the national government was running a surplus.</p>
<p>Consequently I feel that the lesson from Canada is only being pushed by the right wing dog boiling establishment as a fig leaf to cover their own tax cutting agenda.</p>
<p>They will cut spending when times are tough.<br />
They will cut taxes when times are good.<br />
They do not want to pay for the New Labour welfare state of 2008/09.<br />
I fear we will soon look back on that period as some sort of golden age.</p>
<p>Unfortunately too few people realised what we had at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Canada 2020</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30400</link>
		<dc:creator>Canada 2020</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Our own Eugene Lang in @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada http://bit.ly/c1jTma #can2020&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Our own Eugene Lang in @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada <a href="http://bit.ly/c1jTma" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/c1jTma</a> #can2020</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Canada 2020</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30399</link>
		<dc:creator>Canada 2020</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @canada2020&#039;s Eugene Lang in @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada http://bit.ly/c1jTma&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @canada2020&#39;s Eugene Lang in @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada <a href="http://bit.ly/c1jTma" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/c1jTma</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Fat Bloke on Tour</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30349</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Bloke on Tour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy Blowhard

Nice try, I await you anti GB laundry list as supplied by the Forger&#039;s Gazette with interest.

Any chance you could up your game and develop your own thoughts on the matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy Blowhard</p>
<p>Nice try, I await you anti GB laundry list as supplied by the Forger&#8217;s Gazette with interest.</p>
<p>Any chance you could up your game and develop your own thoughts on the matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy Meikle</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy Meikle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just &quot;Gordon&#039;s crashed economy&quot; that&#039;s going to hurt but the world&#039;s crashed economy. I&#039;ve only just found this site but have been speaking about peak oil and the energy crisis for 6 years now. Our economy only functions thanks to the surplus energy from oil. Peak oil is the point at which global production of conventional oil (i.e. the &#039;cheap&#039; stuff) reaches a peak and then declines. Oil is not running out but it is going to get a whole lot more expensive and that means rising costs for power, food, transport, everything really. 

I&#039;ve started a blog (http://mandymeikle.wordpress.com/) to try to get some debate going. We really have to start thinking how the future is going to look without abundant supplies of cheap energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just &#8220;Gordon&#8217;s crashed economy&#8221; that&#8217;s going to hurt but the world&#8217;s crashed economy. I&#8217;ve only just found this site but have been speaking about peak oil and the energy crisis for 6 years now. Our economy only functions thanks to the surplus energy from oil. Peak oil is the point at which global production of conventional oil (i.e. the &#8216;cheap&#8217; stuff) reaches a peak and then declines. Oil is not running out but it is going to get a whole lot more expensive and that means rising costs for power, food, transport, everything really. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve started a blog (<a href="http://mandymeikle.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mandymeikle.wordpress.com/</a>) to try to get some debate going. We really have to start thinking how the future is going to look without abundant supplies of cheap energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Blofeld</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30230</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Blofeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Canadian experience shows that a government needs to get much more creative and draconian than that&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It is really going to hurt us to fix Gordon&#039;s crashed economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The Canadian experience shows that a government needs to get much more creative and draconian than that&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It is really going to hurt us to fix Gordon&#8217;s crashed economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamik Das</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30227</link>
		<dc:creator>Shamik Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Former Canadian special adviser writes for @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: http://bit.ly/cq0uVG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Former Canadian special adviser writes for @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: <a href="http://bit.ly/cq0uVG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cq0uVG</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: LockPickerNet</title>
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		<dc:creator>LockPickerNet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada: http://bit.ly/cq0uVG via @leftfootfwd&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada: <a href="http://bit.ly/cq0uVG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cq0uVG</a> via @leftfootfwd</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Juderobinson</title>
		<link>http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/06/reality-check-on-star-chambers-and-fiscal-deficits-a-view-from-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-30226</link>
		<dc:creator>Juderobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada: http://bit.ly/cq0uVG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @leftfootfwd: Reality check on star chambers and fiscal deficits: A view from Canada: <a href="http://bit.ly/cq0uVG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cq0uVG</a></span></span></span></p>
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