Gove’s call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/894TTWh

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/894TTWh

RT @leftfootfwd Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Michael Gove making more enemies RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Gove’s call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet – http://bit.ly/ikrI6U

Gove’s call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet – http://bit.ly/ikrI6U

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/tx9jOHX

I guess the sort of Mums who have time to fritter on Mumsnet are the sort of Mums who will not have to take days unpaid leave to look after kids when schools close – surely if teachers really cared about kids they would strike in a way that would not punish the kids and those hardest up families. They could always strike in August!

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/tx9jOHX

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/fzKt8NU”

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

The sort of mums that really care about their kids education will support the strike, I guess you don’t.

OK Selohesra – So we take a day to stand up and fight to defend ALL OUR children and young people’s education & futures -and we are accused of not caring…
…the Royal family makes us all have a day off -right in the middle of A level prep – just so we can all gawp at the spectacle of them in their riches & privilege – but this is OK with you is it?

Teachers really care about kids. Striking isn’t punishing children – striking is drawing a line in not accepting a Maxwell-esque theft from the pensions pot. It’s drawing a line that says simply taking a national agreement, negotiated by unions and government, and signed recently which made the teachers pensions sustainable in the long term and ripping it up is not acceptable. Gove said teachers would have a loss of credibility if they strike – surely he would know, his ideas have lost any credibility and his actions have shown there is no credible reason beyond ideological attacks on socially progressive forces in society. What Gove wants is an education sector run by private companies based on who pays wins. I for one whole heartedly back the strikes.

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

Gove’s call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://zite.to/krNSCQ via @Ziteapp

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Fabulous comment littleangle.

Ok – I’m not a mum but my wife is. She works a 70% timetable, but still puts in 50 hours plus a week, including for the last two months sitting by the computer for hours at the weekend as kids email work to her to be marked. I think she cares about the young people she teaches as do thousands of other teachers. One can’t but help think that the unwritten agenda is keep teachers working like that until they are 68, and we’ll be back to the state we were in in the early 70s when many died a year or two after retiring – that’ll solve the pensions issue.

Selohestra – Shame you work for an employer that makes you take it unpaid.

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

#mumsnet hath spoken: Gove is a cretin http://t.co/WWAWNGc #teachers #strikes

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers http://t.co/gynHHI4

The strike will punish children and working parents – the government won’t be hurt that much.

Government might even secretly relish a few public sector strikes – give thenm a chance to pass some anti-union legislation whist the country feels inconvenienced by selfish strikes and whats more all those days pay the taxpayer will not have to fund during the strikes will help the deficit. I wonder if the union leaders will forfeit a days pay like their members will have to.

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

It’s also about attracting people into the profession, which is about to get radically harder with fees and removal of incentives, in a profession where many vital areas are already understaffed.

Teaching is NOT especially well paid, it’s a long-hour high-stress job…

(I only teach at University level for a reason. Well, plus you don’t actually need ANY qualifications per-se to teach at them)

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/ldMck36 <<Up the wimmin!!! #solidarity

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers http://t.co/2CBxPKp

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/ldMck36

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

Teaching is comparatively well-paid, with incomparable leave allowance and good job security. Further, while hours clearly aren’t the 9 to 3 some would have us believe, I don’t think teaching can accurately be described as ‘a long-hour high-stress job’ (although, granted, that certainly depends on what level you teach at, and crucially at which school).

As for university teaching, qualification requirements must depend on where you teach, surely. Most lecturers I came across had at least one degree, for a start.

“…the sort of Mums who have time to fritter on Mumsnet” – are they like the sort of Selohesras who have time to fritter on Left Foot Forward?

Nice one C-pony, slam-dunked Selohesra.

An important P.S.

Sorry if that comment above comes across as an attack on teachers. It really wasn’t meant to be; it’s a job I couldn’t do and many of the teachers I came across were excellent. I was only pointing out that they aren’t a special case, in that a great many professions are operating in straitened circumstances.

On the strikes, I don’t think it will achieve anything other than considerable, albeit brief, disruption. I sincerely hope that all sides continue negotiation and actually mean them. Hostility on either side would be counterproductive: the unions can’t win, in my view, but government shouldn’t abuse a dominant position and bully people for the sake of it. I would hope that no-one (the odious cretin Bob Crow excepted) actually wants strikes.

I am taking my children to a picket line & i am teaching them that it is important to defend rights! What life will my children have when I will have hardly have any money to support myself in my old age! Never mind the pressure that they will have to pay for their university education! Gove obviously does not value teachers or education as a human right!

“I wonder if the union leaders will forfeit a days pay like their members will have to.”

I wonder if the country’s leaders will be willing to forfeit some of their diamond-encrusted platinum-plated pensions.

Quite possibly Eleanor

The Tories are winning again – let’s attack mumsnet for being too posh. Let’s moan about the teachers being overpaid and having too many holidays. Let’s attack the public service workers for having too good a pension scheme.

Exactly what Cameron and Osborne and the rest of the Eton Bullingdon Blues want- let the lower orders attack each other and we can quietly scrap the state, reward our rich chums with contracts and tax benefits.

Mumsnet supports a great many women many of whom are isolated, poor and need a boost. If the organisation is attacking the coalition then great.

Teachers perform in front of a class from the hours between about 9 and 3. They then do preparation, marking, working their way through the 18 inches or so pile of government directives that are sent each year, training, learning educational software etc etc in their own time.

Public sector pensions have very quietly been reduced from the Retail Price Index to the Consumer Price Index meaning the average teacher will receive around £80,000 less pension then they would have done under the old system.

They are expected to pay 50% more in contributions and they will be expected to work extra years to 66, 67, 68. However, few will make it as the cuts mean that experienced, and therefore slightly more expensive teachers will be made redundant or hassled out of their jobs in their mid-50s – having to choose between taking a much reduced pension or surviving the ten years until they get their pension.

And if we look at the more balanced economies, such as Germany, we find that all workers get a good pension scheme, all work less hours and all workers are treated with respect.

So stop playing the Tory game – blame the Blues, Blame Clegg and stop attacking others in this sinking boat.

Must lie down now – somewhere quiet.

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/FX7EKmo #J30 #solidarity

Upwards of 75% of posters on Mumsnet work full- or part-time, according to the most recent user survey. (Perhaps not coincidentally, many of them are teachers… )

Ed – There are two VL’s on my course, including myself. I have a BSc, personally. The other VL has 25 years experience, but not even GCSE’s. There is no /formal/ requirement for qualifications for teaching at a university. And I think that’s fine, myself – Universities are quite capable of handling their own requirements.

(And it looks like I’ll be teaching on a MSc in the next academic year)

But sorry, teaching most certainly IS high-stress, especially in the exam-driven world of today, especially if you want to do anything except teach students how to pass tests. Marking is also a PITA. It comes with the job, yes, but making teaching both low-paid and slashing their pensions leads rapidly into “those that can’t, teach”.

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/FX7EKmo #J30 #solidarity

I certainly wouldn’t advocate formal requirements at universities as, like you, I think they’re capable of sorting that out themselves. I would still be surprised if, at the country’s best universities, those teaching didn’t have such qualifications. That certainly was the case in my experience anyway (most didn’t tire of listing their degrees, publications, etc!)

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree, to an extent, on school teachers. I don’t doubt it’s stressful but can’t see it as more stressful than other careers. Neither do I see it as low-paid.

Agree with you on the emphasis on passing tests, however: it stifles creativity.

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

Teaching IS a long-hour-high-stress job – they start 8am, they endure 6 hrs a day teaching classes of 30+ teenagers, then go home, mark homework, plan next lessons, and are lucky to have all that done by 10pm. They might have two or three evenings in a week when they can have a social life, but by the time July comes around, they NEED their 6 week break. My partner’s a teacher. A job I couldn’t do.

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/Va0HT5U

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/Va0HT5U

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/Va0HT5U

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/Y9xetJ1

Teachers striking – typical selfish types you’d expect in that line of work. Spending their lives trying to make themselves rich and when they do, trying to shift their taxes around so they don’t pay for anyone else. Yeh, just like those bankers and business execs and arms dealers and property developers …..oh no … I got all mixed up for a minute there.

http://www.leftfootforward.org/2011/06/michael-gove-savaged-by-mumsnet/ http://fb.me/17D2TsIY9

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://t.co/rbJSVqc writes @DanielElton

Random sample of parodic hilarity from Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/ig3PLi

I can find samples of neo-Nazi postings on Tory blogs if you want to play that game…

Please, let’s not get into that game. No side of the political spectrum has the monopoly on nutters! I’ve seen more than my fair share of ludicrous left-wing bile on, for example, Liberal Conspiracy.

As for that thread, I found myself chuckling while reading it. You would think from reading those sycophantic remarks that Brown was a shoo-in at the last election rather than one of the least popular PMs of all time. Thank goodness those posting there are in no way reflective of the UK population.

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/H8Ns5rl

RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/IzFzX55

what is this? The Big Society or something?

Seriously, Mr Gove has got absolutely no idea how to run his department.

Random sample of parodic hilarity from Mumsnet”

You mean carefully bookmarked link put in store for random use, just like all those I’ve stored up from Tory blogs.

RT @coope83: It seems we can ease off Gove a little, he seems to be nailing his own coffin! #govemustgo http://t.co/tjk67nd

[...] Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet | Left Foot Forward [...]

I email the News about the CRB check for anyone working with children (lack of) legality – then lo and behold the issue was verbalised – are the government totally mad ?

Simple way of solving the small sums the poorly waged in this country want to survive ”’ Pretend we are a war”’ and funding will be found overnight –

Jen

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet: http://bit.ly/lQiOVd writes @DanielElton

RT @JaneAitchison: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet | Left Foot For… http://bit.ly/mGafAw via @twttimes

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet | Left Foot For… http://bit.ly/mGafAw

Take that Govey!!! RT @leftfootfwd: Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet http://t.co/soWSBQI

Gove's call for parents to act as strikebreakers savaged by Mumsnet | Left Foot For… http://bit.ly/mGafAw