Iain Duncan Smith is not “daring to tell the truth” about migrant workers

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Iain Duncan Smith is not ‘daring to tell the truth’ about migrant workers I Left Foot Forward l Ruth Grove White – http://j.mp/mpOLke

Iain Duncan Smith is not ‘daring to tell the truth’ about migrant workers I Left Foot Forward l Ruth Grove White – http://j.mp/mpOLke

Until all sides stop demonising the British workforce we’ll never reach agreement. Here’s a reminder of how the trouble started: newlistener.co.uk/home/bbc-memes-the-british-layabout/

Self employed electrician working on large scale contracts all over the UK, charging £75 a day. Within a year that same electrician had to drop his rate to £35 a day, within two years he had given up because he could not under cut the immigrants who come here from Poland take over the contract charging twenty five a day, they live in tents Caravans and then when works starts to dry up they go, home not paying insurance tax or anything.

I use to work on new house building to wire up a house takes me three days this contract as wages and material so it would on average cost about £1,450 to £1,600 per house, the last time I was asked to do this type of contract the price had dropped to £900 one even charged £400 which did not cover the material I’d use, I have no idea how these people made it pay but they did.

To simple painting a house, the lowest of the contract because basically we are told anyone could do it, three bedroom house price for painting with material is about £250 to £400 that price actually dropped to £100 it takes three to four days to paint no way a person can make the min wage.

I have just seen a large scale contract building 200 houses next to me four of the contractors are Polish they have Polish vehicles which state the name number and contact details in Polish, they basically live in the van.

Oh I know about doing this I use to travel from contract to contract to make enough money in the winter I use to live in a tent near the contract, I use to live off a Primas stove with soup as my main food.

We are going back wards not for wards.

1.Self employed electrician working on large scale contracts all over the UK, charging £75 a day. Within a year that same electrician had to drop his rate to £35 a day, within two years he had given up because he could not under cut the immigrants who come here from Poland take over the contract charging twenty five a day, they live in tents Caravans and then when works starts to dry up they go, home not paying insurance tax or anything.

I use to work on new house building to wire up a house takes me three days this contract as wages and material so it would on average cost about £1,450 to £1,600 per house, the last time I was asked to do this type of contract the price had dropped to £900 one even charged £400 which did not cover the material I’d use, I have no idea how these people made it pay but they did.

To simple painting a house, the lowest of the contract because basically we are told anyone could do it, three bedroom house price for painting with material is about £250 to £400 that price actually dropped to £100 it takes three to four days to paint no way a person can make the min wage.

I have just seen a large scale contract building 200 houses next to me four of the contractors are Polish they have Polish vehicles which state the name number and contact details in Polish, they basically live in the van.

Oh I know about doing this I use to travel from contract to contract to make enough money in the winter I use to live in a tent near the contract, I use to live off a Primas stove with soup as my main food.

We are going back wards not for wards.

Well said Robert.

I would much rather hear your views, as someone who knows about this directly, than someone with an abstract interest who has read/written a few articles and looked at some statistics.

Political parties refuse to remove their fingers from their ears when it comes to public opinion on immigration.

‘there are many people working here whose numbers the Government simply cannot limit, whatever Duncan Smith would like to see’

What a stupid comment. The government’s job is to govern…if the EU or the UN is preventing it…it can bloody well tell them where to go and get on with its job of governing Britain in the best interests of the British people.

Your argument against Mr Duncan-Smith’s call for British workers is purely subjective. Like so many who encourage immigration, you never give a sensible reason. The people of this country have worked hard over the last 200 years, and now the silent majority have lost their rights, as a people. Now the country is overcrowded, They have lost their infrastructure. there is little good skills training or education for the workers, who are blamed for the mess crated by politically motivated Unions in the 1970′s.
We have broadly welcomed those who came in the 1960′s following the decline of empire. But what Blair’s government did and did not do was a disgrace. Many of us want no more Europe and no more immigration or migration, and are not afraid to labeled bigot racist or by any other name. The days of believing we are not worthy are long gone, we have been led down blind alleys of idealism for too long.
You have no argument!

Hari,

Can I quote you on that?

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Fred;

Thatcher did the damage, not immigrants. The Coalition is doing the damage, not immigrants. Blind xenophobia, as usual. Of course you’re facing someone with no “argument”, they’re plain RIGHT.

‘they’re plain RIGHT.’

And therein lies the problem. This arrogant, blind insistence that immigration is self-evidently beneficial and therefore requires no justification is highly damaging. Issues must be debated and opposition, strong in this case, must be heard.

No, it’s called not having my head stuck in the sand. Moreover, I was countering the argument that the reason for the problems is immigration, and not the legacy of Thatcher, the coalition’s economic policy and the banking crisis.

But please, keep on arguing for that. Typical tabloid nonsense, ignoring the actual data and hammering away with an entirely emotional, irrational response – the very same as the coalition’s, Job denial.

A policy which rejects someone who got a O1 “superstar” visa to America is, frankly, a pile of horse manure. This is what you are supporting.

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Job denial? Nah, don’t think it’ll catch on like Labour’s deficit denial. Given that this is an evidence based blog, I’d point to falling unemployment figures.

And while you might call it ‘not having [your] head stuck in the sand’, I’ll stick with my description of ‘arrogant, blind insistence’.

Incidentally, I’ve not been ignoring the actual data. Immigration has been rising at record rates and polls demonstrate serious public concern at its impact. Further, while economists like to reduce discussion about immigration to simple graphs, social impact is rather harder to analyse in such a way. History teaches us that ignoring ‘emotional’ reponses can be very unwise.

P.S. Rampant mentions of Thatcher might indicate emotional, irrational responses of your own.

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Thatcher acted to save the country from bankruptcy following the Wilson-Callaghan government; The coalition are doing their best to save us from the financial and moral meltdown left by Blair-Brown. Nomatter what your politics or financial fantasy, economics, the law of the jungle, ultimately rules. You can not demand what you do not have, you can only have the “rights” which your resources can support, only maintain the justice which the people can sustain.
Thatcher seemed harsh, but what alternative? She saved us from ruin.

Ed; “Falling” unemployment is based, as I’ve said before, on a survey. Given the JSA seeker numbers rose, I would have to see a sustained trend in the survey results – not just a one-off – to believe that’s really happening.

Also, denial over jobs AND denial over the damage thatcher did? Heh.

Fred – Because we owe the debt internation…oh, it’s mostly internal. Right. And we have our own currency. And what’s this, most of the coalition “cuts” are ideological? And business rates seem to be slashed. And they’re making the UK a tax ha… no, don’t believe a word you posted.

Leon: Time to start joined up thinking or you will be left in chaos now the sofa is empty. The top brass became so wealthy and the workers so poor when Blair-Brown unpicked the better side of Wilson-Callaghan. Now we run on the treadmill, family life hard to sustain. The checkout girl will sit for 6 hours but the union cared not a jot, pension funds were raided, still without a care. Its only worth the effort when real damage could be done, to an imagined foe.
It is all a compromise, but so right that all apply our common sense.

“Joined up thinking”? Ah, is that what you call conflating factors and getting into a muddle.

I’m a mutualist, I *certainly* have strong views on income inequality…and a good part of the CAUSE is the weakness of unions. and the blatent favouritism shown to unearned income (i.e. lower tax rates on non-income profits) and larger corporations. Oh, and exclusionary policies, which are already blocking skilled workers from bringing investment and jobs here.

Yes my name is not local, but I’m third generation, so don’t start with flippant put downs and I count myself British.

Leon explain to me the benefits of increasing immigration when our country faces 2.8 million unemployed, what are the benefits for these unemployed people of immigration into their communities.

And if you do think their are benefits how can Labour offer a government to meet the aspirations of these new immigrants when the conditions of the newly immigrant and existing peoples, i.e, You, Me, Fred & Ed, are undergoing profound changes, as well as providing the economic conditions that make it viable to get say a million of the 2.8 million back into employment which is sustainable for them as individuals, not as a statistic, rather than for good of the margins of the institutions employing them?

I will never understand why acknowledging that Migration on this scale is deeply harmful is such a bad thing.

Say no one new came into the country from today, not a single soul came or left, ask yourself this:

Can we afford to educate, house, provide, for that static population of 62 million?

You all know the answer is plain and simply NO.

So how is unchecked EU migration EVER a good thing, 240,000 extra people settling here, each year, every year, from outside of the UK.

I should point out I am a third generation immigrant being Italian, I`m not against migration generally, but anything over the number that exit the UK at present, i.e. 77,000, is worrying.

A City`s worth of people a little under the population size of Coventry appearing in the UK every 12 months over and above the exit figures is frankly insanity generally, let alone in times of hardship.

The problem is not external migration as the politicians would have you believe it is E.U. migration, unchecked, untamed, and barely anyone is paying attention. In 5 years the city I have lived in for the last 20 has changed dramatically and many many people are getting progressively more dissolutioned and annoyed of a myriad of issues and perceptions be they right or wrong, this will not end well.

Say hi to 240,000 extra people every 12 months. Our friendly eastern european neighbours.

All of my quoted figures are from the O.N.S.