The ‘Dalits’ of Dale Farm have needs too

The ‘Dalits’ of Dale Farm have needs too: http://t.co/c62A3Ue writes Kevin Meagher

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The ‘Dalits’ of Dale Farm have needs too: http://t.co/c62A3Ue writes Kevin Meagher

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Exactly. Pleny of other local councils come up with ways of enabling traveller communities to live together – but then this is Basildon and by all counts the local Labour leadership is supporting the eviction. Shame.

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Unless you live next to them you cannot comment. They are terrible to live next door to. Very antisociable. So before commenting please consider if you would have them at the foot of your garden.

So you feel the same about other ethnic minorities too Adam?

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Just wondering if the council have offered the travellers permanent residence in council housing or an opportunity to go on a council waiting list for accomodation as obviously none of the families wish to travel anymore. It seems they want a permanent home in Basildon so why not rent property like all other members of the community or save to buy a property as so many people spend years tring to do or apply for council housing.

So travellers should be free to build and then receive retrospective planning permission?

It’s sad I suspect Adam does not live next to them, as he says, it’s sad but it’s the way this country is going these days, Immigrants, Disabled people, Gypsies, Muslims, seems to be a familiar look to this.

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Guess it’s time for me and the Labour party to part company after 50years. Shame on Ed Miliband.

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AnyleftIwonder – What’s the point you’re making?

Forcing 'Travellers' to keep moving is just spiteful.. RT @leftfootfwd: The ‘Dalits’ of Dale Farm have needs too http://t.co/MP9j01e

Forcing 'Travellers' to keep moving is just spiteful.. RT @leftfootfwd: The ‘Dalits’ of Dale Farm have needs too http://t.co/MP9j01e

This is what happens if you fail to deal with the issue properly by providing provision for these communities.

Forcing 'Travellers' to keep moving is just spiteful.. RT @leftfootfwd: The ‘Dalits’ of Dale Farm have needs too http://t.co/MP9j01e

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Anyleftiwonder – sorry, I was behind the door. Just seen Ed Miliband’s comments. Needless to say, I disagree.

Needless to say, Labour is going to manage to throw away another election by pretending to be Tories on these issues. I won’t vote for that, will never vote LibDem and will laugh in the face of anyone suggesting I vote SWP.

Well, it’s “stay home” again as the best electoral option then.

Will those that will be doing the evicting not be tresspassing? Just a thought as the land does belong to the travellers.

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Good point!

Any eviction will be a nightmare for all involved. Not to mention the cost. Never ceases to amaze me why deals cannot be made to avert crises of this kind…

The upcoming presumption for development apparently has no place here, for that matter…

Nope because the law states the land belongs to a person or a group without planning permisioon hence the law has been broken.

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The fact is these people have broken the law and need to be moved on.

Is it now official Labour Party policy to support criminals? Perhaps Ed Miliband should offer lodgings to some of these individuals in the house he inherited in Primrose Hill by fiddling his (potential) Inheritance Tax.

If these people insist on staying there and not moving then they can hardly be called travellers…

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I agree it is not acceptable to be treated differently because of race sex religion or “lifestyle choice” therefore I do not see why the travellers would expect to be treated differently when it comes to a point of law that others have to abide by and build without authorisation on green belt land.

I do live close enough to consider being next door. Their anti social behaviour and constant intimidation of shop assistance in the area convince me that black, white, disabled, gay or any other minority doesn’t have anything to do with it. How much tax to they contribute towards police, education and refuge collection? Anyone living in the filth they live in would be evicted from a council house never mind greenbelt land!
Might I suggest that Catholic Bishop of Brentwood, Thomas McMahon open his arms and welcome them into Brentwood, or maybe Vanessa Redgrave allow them to live in her backyard.

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http://www.leftfootforward.org/2011/09/dale-farm-essex-irish-travellers-to-be-evicted/

Anon E Mouse – And we see again how little you understand about the actual situation you’re talking about. Irish Travellers, Pavee, are an ethnic group, and recognised in British law as such.

Thanks for the racial slur, though.

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Leon Wolfson – Being half Southern Irish myself I’ll take no lectures from you about this situation.

These people are lawbreakers plain and simple and as such the law should act with fear or favour against them – I really don’t care if they are a minority or not.

Their behaviour is unacceptable in a law abiding country and that’s it. The only thing of note I would add is that on R5 Live one of these “travellers” who don’t travel, said if they were Muslims then the council wouldn’t touch them and on that point I do agree.

Being a minority in this country should not be a licence for lawbreaking and I would have thought you of all people would have realised that (given your admissions of victimhood on this fine blog)….

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In “The Telegraph” 2nd Sept – there is an article about the coalitions rush to sweep aside planning laws.Surely a very fine line is being made by this governent – hoping to allow one section of society to build on green belt and evicting others.

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Its absolutely plain that hatred of Irish travellers is at the root of this issue – lets say the land had been bought by a developer and he had proposed building luxury homes on it. Despite its so-called Green Belt status, lets remember that it was in fact a scrapyard before. Who here seriously thinks the council wouldn’t have agreed redesignation?

@Mike Homfray – I seriously think the council wouldn’t have agreed redesignation

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Does the council wish the site to return to its former glory – a scrapyard?

‘So you feel the same about other ethnic minorities too Adam?’

I think this comment is objectionable and leads us on a road to nowhere.

If a white person is a nuisance neighbour, then that’s that. Surely the same goes for a black people, Jews, travellers, martians, etc. In my experience, when you have issues with a neighbour, you don’t give a toss what they look like/where they came from, etc. You just regard them as a bloody nuisance and wish they would stop being so inconsiderate.

What I gathered from Adam’s comment was that he did not object to the travelling community because of who they are, but because of what they do. That’s the important point.

You can’t really be suggesting that belonging to an ethnic minority gives one carte blanche to behave as one sees fit (in this instance, in a manner contrary to the law) while also providing a shield against any criticism?

Anon E Mouse – And again you prove you don’t have the slightest concept of what you’re talking about. You just keep on with your racist attack on the Pavee.

I was quite correct about your party affiliation, as people can see.

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You couldn’t make it up, could you. Travellers, a group of people who specifically define themselves by the fact that they find it psychologically oppressive to stay in one place, are complaining that they are being forced to – yes, you’ve got it – travel. Unbelievable!
Do they have genetic evidence from DNA samples to support their claim to be an ethnic minority? Why should I take their word for it? I understand that Haplogroup I is far more prevalent in Eastern England than in western England. Does this mean that if I travel from Worcester to Hull or Ipswich I become a member of an ethnic minority? I did meet a bloke from Grimsby in Worcester the other day. I did feel that somehow he was, well, from a different race. Come to think of it, I don’t like eating horse meat, I like a bit of bare knuckle fighting when I’m pissed, and I don’t let the missus in the kitchen when she’s having her monthlies. Could I be a traveller without knowing it? After all, I seem to share their, erm, culture.

Would everyone offer support to the millionaire buisnessman if he illegally built a mansion in a geenbelt area?

I doubt it so why should these buildings not be knocked down, they knew they were breaking the law and did not have permision when they built them.

Yet again a bunch of law breakers screaming about the supposed abuses of their human rights and ethnic status,they need to see that they are not about the law, ethnic minority or not!!

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Trofim – No, they define themselves by being an ethnic group. They are recognised as such in British law. You’re just being outright racist.

Helenthemadex – There is systematic under-provision of temporary sites for them. And, as I said, 90% of their requests for planning permission are rejected, in over half the country on a blanket basis. Given they want to live in clusters, not scattered, this inevitable leads to these situations.

Moreover, again, the law is being changed to specifically ALLOW this kind of development. Which is why, after a decade, it’s being forced to a head. Which will likely end with several dead and much of the site destroyed, including the legal portions.

Leon Wolfson: They’re defined as an ethnic minority in English law? Laws are arbitrary things made by fallible human beings. Why are recognised as such? There has to be some genetic basis for it. Simply driving around in a caravan doesn’t define ones ethnicity. Laws can be rescinded. New laws can be made. At some time in the future Eastern English and Western English may be defined as ethnic minorities on the basis of Haplogroup I representation in their DNA. Personally, I’m ethnically Worcestershire.

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Trofim;

Great, you keep on justifying your racism to yourself.

“Racist” the traditional cry of the unreconstructed lefty when he is out of his depth and he has no cogent arguments in favour of his position. On the other hand, if it is that magically easy to nominate oneself as a member of an ethnic minority, simply by saying “I belong to ethnic minority X”, then shall avail myself of that possibility. I hereby designate myself as a member of the ethnic travelling community. There, it’s done. You want evidence? Sorry, not necessary. I say I am, and therefore I am. Interesting to note that the illustration to this article shows nothing but young people who are not regarded in law as sufficiently mature enough to make reasoned judgements at an election. The unashamed manipulation of children.

Trofim – No, the cry of someone who has experienced, directly, the actions of those who believe difference is wrong. You are uttering an apologia for your racism, no more, no less.

The Pavee *are* a recognised ethnic minority. If you don’t believe so, get the government to de-recognise them. Because evidence IS necessary, and you’re a racist.

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Trofim, ethnicity has nothing to do with genetics. Look it up in a dictionary.

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There is nothing different to all these comments left by people who are so clearly racist against travellers ive had to listen to this sort of rubbish all my life,people think that if you live in a house you carnt be a traveller,being a traveller is something your born into and it doesnt matter where you live you will always have different ways to the gorgers,we are family orientated we dont put our elderly in homes for the tax payer to look after especially when they have family to do the looking after,we do go to schools and colleges etc,the gorgers slate us for our way of life but they dont realise that half the people that work in these homes,hospitals,schools,police force etc are actually from the travelling community,i myself have worked and paid my taxes from the day i left school,most gorgers believe everything they read in the papers about us ,you get good as well as bad in all communities whatever religion you belong to,the papers are full of all sorts of stories about non travellers,rapists,peodofiles,riots,shootings but it only takes a small paragraph about travellers and you can bet your wages on it that its the story people will remember and talk about,if the papers wrote MUSLIM SCUM,OR PAKI SCUM on thier front papers they would be hauled up in court on charges of insighting racial hatred,well how come they get away with it when it comes to travellers,Its disgusting im from a large travelling family and although im a house dweller most of my kin are still in trailors they pay rent for their plots even tho they will be travelling from time to time,they pay gas and electric bills and council tax,their are many families on the estate where i live who you wouldnt take a cup of tea off,they sit out on a night drinking and taking drugs and just being troublesome,the police are never away,travellers stick together against any outsiders because they carnt be trusted its as simple as that,the trouble at dale farm shows us that,they take your money and then when it suits them they turf you out because they have some bigger and better plan for the land you have bought,dont be in too much of a hurry to evict us just because we dont look,dress,talk or live the way you do, they are many law abbidding travellers going about their buisness each day,we all want the same in life to be free to live as we want and to provide for our families the best we can

Once again you talk on a subject you know nothing about..

Can’t these poor folk be lfet in peace to get on with life. Is it really so intolerable to let people live the way they want to. I’m sure we all do things that others dispise – i never put the loo seat down, don’t understand the concept of the laundry basket et al – My partner deals with those bits through help and understanding. A small part of what D Cameron might call his Big Community. Why can’t we help people with there short comings and be blessed and embrace there triumphs

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